Concern for Leilani Estates as lava moves eastward underground

[Moose]

 

Published on Jul 2, 2018

[WestCoastGal]

Honolulu Civil Beat (no their feed is gone) just posted a video courtesy of USGS from 6/29 of a volcanolgist taking photos or measurements of the lava river at F8. River...or rapids honestly. 

 

BTW during the footage of the USGS personnel at the channel, look to the right of them slightly. There is a piece of lava that keeps popping up occasionally at what looks like against the side of the levee, but probably this is just small lava boats popping up in the river at that same spot if there's a rise in the river bed there. Just caught my eye on a second watch.

Edited July 3, 2018 by WestCoastGal
added comment after video

[WestCoastGal]

BTW I had mentioned the Menlo Park, CA, USGS Monthly Public Lecture series previously in this thread. They have designated the Thursday, August 30 date as the "Kilauea Eruptions" topic. The USGS presenter will be Kyle Anderson. I'll try to remind people closer to that date about it. You can watch the lecture Live or later on demand from the Video Archives. Or if you are on the San Francisco Peninsula you can attend in person. When we use to go the lecturers, seating always filled up fast. I suspect this and the following September topic (1868 Haward Earthquake: 150 Years Later) will be very well attended. Here's their website if you want to bookmark it for this or other topics they present.

https://online.wr.usgs.gov/calendar/

[WestCoastGal]

Big Island Now had this story and close up video of the lava channel that ran through a papaya field down in Kapoho.

For text story: http://bigislandnow.com/2018/07/02/fissure-8-flow-affects-puna-papaya-farms/

 

[WestCoastGal]

The one thing when this whole earthquake/eruption happened that I noticed when watching the videos was how great your roads looked in LE and around lower Puna. Roads here in the SF Bay area are pretty bad most of the time. I remember Bo commenting on how LE had recently had their roads paved, which was sad in light of spending the money it took a while to raise and then have them cracked and torn apart. I saw this post yesterday on fb Hawaii Tracker group that reminded me of those early memories of LE streets.

I heard Mayor Kim, maybe in his plea to the Council to pass the GE tax, say that there isn't the kind of money available to in Puna to repair all the roads. He gave some very high dollar amount estimate. And of course anything that gets repaired now is subject to cracking just like this section of Hwy 11 before it even gets much use. No getting around Puna is going to be faced with tremendous financial challenges. Gabe (YT H.I.S Survival) pointed out in his video above that this eruption took out some of the most expensive homes in Puna generating the highest property tax revenue (also farms too) and how as a community do you replace that when tourism has been your main source of revenue.

[WestCoastGal]

KITV4 has this story today of the unmanned water robots, Wave Gliders, monitoring the ocean lava entry area (with video).

http://www.kitv.com/story/38561712/unmanned-robots-help-test-waters-near-lava

[WestCoastGal]

USGS updates:

Alert updated as of Mon 6/2 @ 6:19am HST (9:19am PDT): https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/volcanoes/kilauea/status.html

Photos and videos updated as of Mon 6/2 (Halema'uma'u; whirlwind above F8; channel full to overflowing; drone views; Kapoho: https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/volcanoes/kilauea/multimedia_chronology.html

Map updated as of Mon. 6/2 at noon.

Map: US Geological Survey

and the PGV cam view:

[WestCoastGal]

Villagers in Volcano share how the Kilauea eruption has impacted their life but not shaken their love of the village.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/07/02/hawaii-news/kilauea-eruption-has-shaken-volcano-village/

[WestCoastGal]

I checked out the Pu'uhonua o Puna (aka HUB)'s fb page to see what was new there. Saw that they had to shut down today due to the high SO2 levels.

Want to donate to the HUB but don't want to use your cc online? Paypal isn't an option--only for registered non-profits which the HUB doesn't have (If this is important to you, please note that donations aren't tax deductible as a result). Under their Community website area I saw this post today from Nancy LaPolla geared towards those wanting to make a donation to the HUB but preferring to send a check.

Also under the Community section, found out that the HUB has additional ways you can donate as well. There is a Amazon Wish List, they can use Safeway git cards, gasoline gift cards can be used by the volunteers, Target in Hilo is another possibility. I see that Tractor Supply Company gift cards are another possibilty. A scroll through the Community website area will give you an idea of what others have donated, but do work off of their Wish List if you can and be aware that some items cannot be air shipped to Hawaii by Amazon for example. If any of these options are preferable, see the details in this post by Cecily Wagner: https://www.facebook.com/cecily.wagner.1/posts/10216939535264460

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Here's a list of ways to help the evacuees from KHON2: https://www.khon2.com/news/local-news/what-you-can-do-to-help-the-people-displaced-by-lava-at-leilani-estates/1162187740

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And previously mentioned a list from Hawaii News Now: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38119223/heres-how-you-can-donate-to-those-impacted-by-the-kilauea-eruption

[Gonzer]

Let me ask this: Although the lava is flowing in what seems to be a well defined channel is it actually spreading/flowing out underneath the blanket of black, hardened lava as evidenced by the above map showing the active lava entries into the ocean? How thick is the blanket?

Edited July 3, 2018 by Gonzer

[Dave-Vero]

Apart from portions of the ocean entry area, where USGS is describing some of the lava as "pasty," I think the well-defined channel is where the flow is.  It's too big a flow to develop a roof.  The whole thing is a bit odd, kind of like watching glacial melt.  The small overflows seem likely to be building up the broad levees, meaning the channel might be fairly stable so long as Fissure 8 remains active.  

[WestCoastGal]

6 hours ago, Gonzer said:

Let me ask this: Although the lava is flowing in what seems to be a well defined channel is it actually spreading/flowing out underneath the blanket of black, hardened lava as evidenced by the above map showing the active lava entries into the ocean? How thick is the blanket?

I wish I had a better recall of Philip Ong/John/Ikaika's recent discusions on the flow front at Kapoho. Pretty sure your questions were answered during one or more of them, including an estimate of the thickness of the lava at the delta, which I can't put a number to. I don't think I've seen any photos of "firehose" lava streaming from the ocean entry yet where it emerges as a tube instead of a flow, but haven't had the time to watch Shane's or Travis Sander's (fb LavaNews) videos. For those unfamiliar with a firehose flow here's a link from a 2/1/17 article: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/01/firehose-lava-stream-exploding-hawaii-ocean

From what I understand, Yes, Philip/John/Ikaika said while part of the river has appeared in overflights and thermal imaging to be crusted over, they believe the more fluid lava is able to flow underneath it and exit at the ocean at numerous points along the front.

While the volume from F8 has remained high, the river's output does fluctuate in volume. This has been evidenced by overflights where sometimes the channel walls of the river are quite clearly seen and then when the flow increases, the river tops off near the wall edges (and sometimes overflows happen when the volume exceeds the channel). 

On the north end of the Kapoho flow at Kapoho Beach Lots I think that's a different scenario. This is the area that recently has had several homes lost. The USGS Alert over the last 2 reports has described the lava there as "pasty" as opposed to "fresh". I'm thinking this is from the underlying 'a'a flows at the fringes which are still pushing forward slowly with the molten portion becoming more viscous (ie. pasty) as it cools as time passes but still hot enough to ignite fires.

[WestCoastGal]

I saw those steam whisps the other day on the Kapoho Beach Lots overflight and thought the Blue House under construction was likely doomed too. Saw evidence of it today in this fb Hawaii Tracker group photo post. The guys (Philip, John, Dane DuPont) didn't sound hopeful for the remaining homes left in Kapoho Beach Lots during their last talk. 

[Moose]

10 hours ago, WestCoastGal said:

The one thing when this whole earthquake/eruption happened that I noticed when watching the videos was how great your roads looked in LE and around lower Puna. Roads here in the SF Bay area are pretty bad most of the time. I remember Bo commenting on how LE had recently had their roads paved, which was sad in light of spending the money it took a while to raise and then have them cracked and torn apart. I saw this post yesterday on fb Hawaii Tracker group that reminded me of those early memories of LE streets.

I heard Mayor Kim, maybe in his plea to the Council to pass the GE tax, say that there isn't the kind of money available to in Puna to repair all the roads. He gave some very high dollar amount estimate. And of course anything that gets repaired now is subject to cracking just like this section of Hwy 11 before it even gets much use. No getting around Puna is going to be faced with tremendous financial challenges. Gabe (YT H.I.S Survival) pointed out in his video above that this eruption took out some of the most expensive homes in Puna generating the highest property tax revenue (also farms too) and how as a community do you replace that when tourism has been your main source of revenue.

It will be a financial challenge. The County already had financial burdens prior to the eruptions, earthquakes and lava flows. Substantial money is needed just to repair the County roads. Many private roads need to be repair and are not included. I believe Commissioner Eileen O'Hara mentioned that the current protocol is that road repair will not commence until 6 months after the eruption subsides.

Edited July 3, 2018 by Moose

[WestCoastGal]

Hey remember that USGS PGV cam photo the other night that showed an outbreak near the PGV plant on the Kapoho side of the flow? Well found Harry Durgin's post this morning that showed it in a little movie that was saved off. Still haven't seen this mentioned or shown on a thermal map.

 

[Moose]

Scott's morning chat, random talking about Leilani Estates

 

 

Published on Jul 3, 2018
If you would like to help those residents that have lost everything during this historic eruptive event, be sure to choose Hawaii Island:
 

[Moose]

Morning Civil Defense message on Big Island Video News posted on YouTube.

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Published on Jul 3, 2018

 

[Moose]

 Council forming new Charter Commission

 

Published on Jul 3, 2018

Edited July 3, 2018 by Moose

[Moose]

Posted by Gabe (YT H.I.S. Survival) proponent of a lava viewing area. Reflections on meeting in Pahoa

 

Published on Jul 2, 2018

My opinion on the Hawaii lava flow and how to rebuild. Pahoa town is dying and tourists are not traveling to this part of Hawaii. One of the best ways to bring money here is to have a lava viewing area near Pahoa town.

[Moose]

Recent upload by Gabe on his YT Channel (H.I.S. Survival)

 

 

Published on Jul 3, 2018

A thunderstorm during the lava disaster inside Leilani Estates Hawaii. Lots of acid rain and thunder.

[Moose]

A place where Gabe and his friends used to swim and surf. Now it's cut off

 

 

Published on Jul 3, 2018

Before the Red Road and Pohoiki were cut off by lava me and few friends took an adventure. Now we will not be able to swim at Pohoiki for a very long time unless we hike into the danger zone.

[Moose]

Charles (YT Doing Hawaii) gives his Leilani Estates update.

 

 

Published on Jul 3, 2018

The Hawaii Kilauea Volcano East Rift Zone Eruption Update for Leilani Estates 7/2/2018

[WestCoastGal]

Dane DuPont (fb Hawaii Tracker group) posted a recap of changes they have observed. Dane works with Ikaika, John and Philip on reporting the lava activity and is also responsible for the google Community Addresses of Homes Destroyed map. 

In addition to the blue house under construction that was lost fb Bud Kinsey indicates that their house was among those also taken. 

Scott Wilson posted these photos from an overflight at 7pm last night in the Kapoho Beach Lots area. The lava edges are very active there. Arrow through the photos.

 

[WestCoastGal]

Hope everyone has a fun 4th and people turn out to support the village of Volcano.

[Moose]

Video just posted by Gabe. If this is accurate, there is going to be a whole lot of very pissed off folks. Mahalo down the tubes!

 

 

 

Published on Jul 3, 2018

The Hawaii County Civil Defense sent out letters telling Leilani Estates residence that their homes are uninhabitable. I live west of Pomaikai street in Leilani Estates on the Big Island Hawaii Puna district. Seems that all of Leilani Estates has been deemed uninhabitable by the Civil Defense.

[WestCoastGal]

Big Island Now reported on State Rep. Joy San Buenaventura surveying portions of Leilani Estates, the Y-intersection and Kapoho farmland over the past weekend. http://bigislandnow.com/2018/07/03/legislator-surveys-impacts-of-kilauea-eruption/

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The new Emergency Proclamation divides Lower Puna into 2 areas. http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2018/07/02/new-emergency-proclamation-divides-lower-puna-into-areas-a-b/

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Reminder tonight is the Community Meeting at Pahoa High School cafeterial at 5pm HST (8pm PDT). Live on Na Leo TV or on Demand later.

http://naleo.tv/Channel-55/

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How NASA is using satellite imagery in providing data in the eruption area. http://www.kitv.com/story/38505976/help-from-above-how-nasa-helps-kilauea-disaster-response

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The Show Must Go On!! The theater company that was located in HVNP has moved to UH Hilo Performing Arts Center. Their Summer production of Oliver! will run July 13-29, Fridays and Saturdays at 7:30pm and Sundays at 2:30pm. Maybe think of getting out on the weekend and enjoying a performance and supporting the theatrical group. http://www.kitv.com/story/38544219/orphaned-kilauea-theater-company-will-stage-show-at-uh-hilo

 

[WestCoastGal]

54 minutes ago, Moose said:

Video just posted by Gabe. If this is accurate, there is going to be a whole lot of very pissed off folks. Mahalo down the tubes!

 

 

 

Published on Jul 3, 2018

The Hawaii County Civil Defense sent out letters telling Leilani Estates residence that their homes are uninhabitable. I live west of Pomaikai street in Leilani Estates on the Big Island Hawaii Puna district. Seems that all of Leilani Estates has been deemed uninhabitable by the Civil Defense.

Wow, I think Gabe saw this coming from one of his later videos but still think it came as a shock. I know I would be shocked thinking the next move is out of your house. Really sorry to see this and sure wouldn't want to be Talmadge Magno right now. I don't think all the officials or attendees at the Future of Puna meeting wanted to see this happen, as it will place more homeowners on the street looking for housing. I do think the dangers from SO2, which were apparently really bad yesterday and with weather patterns could and probably will repeat, were probably the final straw for Civil Defense. The tephra certainly poses a problem as well as possible lava outbreaks certainly. The letter was dated June 22. I wonder if it was prepared to go out and they were holding off until a final decision was made or if this was planned all along back then. I definitely will be watching the Pahoa Community Meeting tonight. 

When those of you with homes or lots within LE feel like talking about this development, I look forward to hearing your feelings and thoughts on it. Very sorry it has come to this for this community and your fellow neighboring communities. Really. Hard for those of us not invested in it to watch this happen and can't imagine how you guys are feeling now.

[Kim]

I got a similar letter dated June 19th. 

The following was part of an email from County of Hawaii Civil Defense dated June 26:

"To report your home or property damaged or destroyed, please call the Hawaii Real Property Tax Office at 961-8201. To report your home or property inaccessible due to lava isolation or mandatory evacuation, please call Civil Defense at 935-0031."

So I called the number on June 29th to ask about the email notice. I was told they were issuing letters for insurance or FEMA purposes -- some people have insurance that will pay for some short period of housing, or may be eligible for FEMA or other benefits, and this letter provides official notification a person can present for such purposes.

My property is within the evacuation zone, so I didn't think much about it until today when I received the letter dated prior to my call. Seemed odd. And "under evacuation" has a different meaning to me from "uninhabitable" which has a more permanent sound to it. What does it really mean? Is this for tax purposes? I had heard homes in the evacuation zone would not have to pay taxes (believe it when I see it). Is this for insurance and FEMA, for taxes, or is it a legal maneuver on the part of the County?

Could it be a mistake that Gabe received the letter? Or will everyone in Leilani Estates get one? I look forward to hearing from @Justin, who is very much in the safe zone of Leilani. I would not have expected these letters to go out to those in the safe zone. Need to know.

 

[WestCoastGal]

Ikaika video streamed 2 hours ago. In Hilo with Ken Boyer talking about the photos in Leiliani. 

 

[Kim]

Upon further reading of the Emergency Proclamation posted by WestCoastGal 2 posts above, I think the letter I received relates to that proclamation and property tax relief more than anything. And if all of Leilani gets it, so much the better. 

This would seem to fit in with the increase in the GET tax at the same time as the county administrators voted themselves a significant pay increase. (just feelin' grouchy)

[WestCoastGal]

I have tried to watch the Live feed for the Pahoa Community Meeting (positive I've watched it live before), but something else is on Ch 55 on Na Leo TV. I'll look for it later tonight but otherwise sure it will be up tomorrow and post about it. Sorry. 

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Apparently there has been an outbreak in the lava river down by Kapoho Crater (Green Mountain/Green Lake). From the photo still within the old lava flow. Clogging of the river is one of the things that I know has been a concern of everyone monitoriing it.

[WestCoastGal]

Big Island Now story on the public lava viewing area proposal from today. Photos of the area around Pohoiki Y-intersection that's been cleared. So interesting to see one of the lava flows right in front of it.

http://bigislandnow.com/2018/07/03/hawaii-county-working-on-public-lava-viewing-plans/

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Deborah Ray posted these comparison photos from the PGV cam of storms over F8 on fb Hawaii Tracker group. That 7/2 image is...

And image from just now:

[Moose]

24 minutes ago, WestCoastGal said:

I have tried to watch the Live feed for the Pahoa Community Meeting (positive I've watched it live before), but something else is on Ch 55 on Na Leo TV. I'll look for it later tonight but otherwise sure it will be up tomorrow and post about it. Sorry. 

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Apparently there has been an outbreak in the lava river down by Kapoho Crater (Green Mountain/Green Lake). From the photo still within the old lava flow. Clogging of the river is one of the things that I know has been a concern of everyone monitoriing it.

Checked the Na Leo TV guides, don't find Pahoa Community Meeting listed.

Big Island Video News will probably be there and will upload their video on YouTube.

[WestCoastGal]

Updates from USGS:

Alert for Tues, 6/3 at 11:21 am HST (2:21 pm PDT): https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/volcanoes/kilauea/status.html

The Photo section has the image and description of the blocked river channel by Kapoho Crater along with a few other photos from today. https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/volcanoes/kilauea/multimedia_chronology.html

Maps were updated as of today at 11am HST. 

Map: US Geological Survey:

[WestCoastGal]

Haven't seen the Na Leo TV 7/3 community meeting appear yet for viewing online, but I was just watching last week's 6/26. Apparently I got busy and never finished watching it because near the end of the meeting residents are discussing the letters they've received and how even saying your uninhabitable because of xyz, it's not good enough to qualify for FEMA assistance. Several residents spoke to this issue and asked Talmadge what could be done to the letters to have FEMA accept them. Basically CD is still working on plans and at this point can't do anything further. Just thought I'd mention that and you can listen to the meeting for yourself which is up under Na Leo TV's video on demand ch. 55 section. Believe this was around 5 minutes or so before the video ended. So it sounds to me like a number of people received these letters hoping to help with insurance or such.

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LE resident Val Bandmann describes to the Honolulu Star-Advertiser (6/3) the difficulties of being in the lava no-go area and finding yourself in limbo trying to get assistance.

 

[WestCoastGal]

Ryan Finlay (fb Hawaii Tracker group) made this post about the blockage in the river lava down in Kapoho. For photos illustrating this click on the fb photo and arrow through them.

 

[Moose]

Beginning of Community Meeting at Pahoa High School.

 

Published on Jul 4, 2018

[Moose]

Pahoa Community Meeting Continued ...

 

Published on Jul 4, 2018

[Moose]

Pahoa Community Meeting continued ...

 

 

Published on Jul 4, 2018

[Moose]

A question and answer period was referred to being at the end of the Pahoa Community Meeting. Have not located any continuation of the meeting as of yet.