Parajubaea Torallyi

[xvang01]

Well guys, after a few weeks of the triple digit we have here in the central valley, CA. My second largest P. tor-tor seem to gave up and slowly dying. This is the 6th Parajubaea that I have planted in my property and the only one that is dying. All other are doing fine. So I am not sure what I did wrong. 

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

You probably didn't do anything wrong. They dont like my climate either.

[GottmitAlex]

8 minutes ago, xvang01 said:

Well guys, after a few weeks of the triple digit we have here in the central valley, CA. My second largest P. tor-tor seem to gave up and slowly dying. This is the 6th Parajubaea that I have planted in my property and the only one that is dying. All other are doing fine. So I am not sure what I did wrong. 

Ever considered a Beccariophoenix alfredii? Or (pushing the envelope) a cocos nucifera?

Edited July 24, 2018 by GottmitAlex

[xvang01]

Last year, seem to do just fine. 

[JubaeaMan138]

Someone told me and I can’t remember who it was that these do not like water during the heat of summer . I have two of them planted out one in full sun and one in shade . They seem to be doing fine even with a couple days we’ll over 110 actually my one in full sun seems to have finally started taking off in the last couple weeks . I think these guys do most of there growing during the cooler months . 

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

Neither of my sunkha have grown a millimeter in the last 45 days. In May they were growing about 1/2/day of spear per day. Bxpjs is growing faster and faster every day. 

[xvang01]

16 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

Someone told me and I can’t remember who it was that these do not like water during the heat of summer . I have two of them planted out one in full sun and one in shade . They seem to be doing fine even with a couple days we’ll over 110 actually my one in full sun seems to have finally started taking off in the last couple weeks . I think these guys do most of there growing during the cooler months . 

They all on the same water schedule and get watered every 3 days a week. 

Edited July 24, 2018 by xvang01

[Jim in Los Altos]

I water all of mine heavily during the summer and get good growth even during heat spells. They like their roots on the cool side so baking hot dry ground is not a good thing. My oldest are over 15 years old now so they’re getting BIG.

[Cikas]

Try microcarpa. They are much more tolerant than normal torallyi. Torallyi hates heat plus water/humid conditions. Water only during the night once a week.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Cikas

[xvang01]

9 hours ago, Cikas said:

Try microcarpa. They are much more tolerant than normal torallyi. Torallyi hates heat plus water/humid conditions. Water only during the night once a week.

P. mircocarpa, P. Sunkha, and then there are two other P. Tor. Tor about 20 feet away not affected. 

[Josue Diaz]

Man! What a bummer! I'm sorry to hear about your torallyi, Xiong. The torallyi var. torallyi I bought from Maria died last summer also. It just went into decline one day and within a matter of a week had completely rotted out. Are you going to replace it with another parajubaea?

Here is a picture I took of that parajubaea last sunmer. It was such a killer palm.

[xvang01]

11 hours ago, Josue Diaz said:

Man! What a bummer! I'm sorry to hear about your torallyi, Xiong. The torallyi var. torallyi I bought from Maria died last summer also. It just went into decline one day and within a matter of a week had completely rotted out. Are you going to replace it with another parajubaea?

Here is a picture I took of that parajubaea last sunmer. It was such a killer palm.

Yep, very unfortunate. I am planning to pulled this thing out and thinking of putting something less likely to worried about. Over 3 years of hard worked going in the recycling bin. Maybe a blue jubaea x butia or butia x pjc in its place. 

Edited July 26, 2018 by xvang01

[Jon T]

I feel your pain. I have yet to lose a parajubaea to cold, but every once in a while, I lose one in the dog days of summer. My biggest one is about 12' with crazy 12' fronds. I've been checking it daily to see if it's going to survive this hottest July ever. Don't want to jinx it. But I looked up the temps in PJT home territory and found that Vallegrande's hottest month is somewhere in  the low-mid sixties:   https://weatherspark.com/y/28207/Average-Weather-in-Vallegrande-Bolivia-Year-Round

Here's this July's temps in Fresno. https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/fresno-ca/93702/july-weather/327144

Maybe 90 degrees?  So a whole month so far, hotter than the native habit by 25 +- degrees. Hotter than Miami, which does not tolerate PJs.

I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed for me and you both that it cools off soon, 'cause I think it's not the humidity, it's the heat. Let's wish ourselves good luck that we don't lose any more.

 

 

[xvang01]

39 minutes ago, Jon T said:

I feel your pain. I have yet to lose a parajubaea to cold, but every once in a while, I lose one in the dog days of summer. My biggest one is about 12' with crazy 12' fronds. I've been checking it daily to see if it's going to survive this hottest July ever. Don't want to jinx it. But I looked up the temps in PJT home territory and found that Vallegrande's hottest month is somewhere in  the low-mid sixties:   https://weatherspark.com/y/28207/Average-Weather-in-Vallegrande-Bolivia-Year-Round

Here's this July's temps in Fresno. https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/fresno-ca/93702/july-weather/327144

Maybe 90 degrees?  So a whole month so far, hotter than the native habit by 25 +- degrees. Hotter than Miami, which does not tolerate PJs.

I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed for me and you both that it cools off soon, 'cause I think it's not the humidity, it's the heat. Let's wish ourselves good luck that we don't lose any more.

 

 

Yes I agree. It seem to be that the heat kill them likely the humidity because I'm sure central valley show only 0-5% for the last couple weeks and we hit little over 109f degrees. They either  die or stop growth completely.

[Josue Diaz]

This week will mark 30 days of temperatures above 100 degrees here in Fresno. This Sunday we'll have a cool 98F.

[Tyrone]

59 minutes ago, Jon T said:

I feel your pain. I have yet to lose a parajubaea to cold, but every once in a while, I lose one in the dog days of summer. My biggest one is about 12' with crazy 12' fronds. I've been checking it daily to see if it's going to survive this hottest July ever. Don't want to jinx it. But I looked up the temps in PJT home territory and found that Vallegrande's hottest month is somewhere in  the low-mid sixties:   https://weatherspark.com/y/28207/Average-Weather-in-Vallegrande-Bolivia-Year-Round

Here's this July's temps in Fresno. https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/fresno-ca/93702/july-weather/327144

Maybe 90 degrees?  So a whole month so far, hotter than the native habit by 25 +- degrees. Hotter than Miami, which does not tolerate PJs.

I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed for me and you both that it cools off soon, 'cause I think it's not the humidity, it's the heat. Let's wish ourselves good luck that we don't lose any more.

 

 

Remember that the Southern Hemisphere is in winter right now. That 64F average is their coldest period. 75F is the average summer max with higher humidity and cloud cover then.

I think that in extreme heat periods the growing bud actually gets slow cooked and dies. At the very least it gets injured and fungus takes over.

[Brett in Mission Viejo]

My observation in So Cal is that all the Parajubaea species do well for several years until they form trunks. Then the Cocoides are in first place for developing the funky fungus, followed by Toralyii, if watered too much. Sunka seems pretty solid in my experience. My theory is warm days AND warm nights with regular watering will start the decline. 

[JubaeaMan138]

I’m in agree with Brett that’s exactly what I was told they do not like cut the water back during extreme heats

[Palm Tree Jim]

2 hours ago, Brett in Mission Viejo said:

My observation in So Cal is that all the Parajubaea species do well for several years until they form trunks. Then the Cocoides are in first place for developing the funky fungus, followed by Toralyii, if watered too much. Sunka seems pretty solid in my experience. My theory is warm days AND warm nights with regular watering will start the decline. 

That was my experience.