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Off with its head!! OR, how to recover a palm with fungus in the crown.

BS Man about Palms

By BS Man about Palms
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BS Man about Palms

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Thanks to posts over the years by @MattyB  I have heard about when a fungus gets in the crown to cut below it and rely on the plant pushing through it. It's more or less a race against time in that the fungus is rotting downwards while the plant is trying to push up from below from the meristem and if the two meet, it's usually a death sentence.

I have had this 2 times before, and I have not been successful. I now firmly believe the hardest thing to do, yet is key to success is the make the decision to chop EARLY. In the others, I tried a few fungicides, mostly Hydrogen peroxide poured in the crown, but when I finally decided to cut, it was too late and the rot had gone too deep. Both of the others were larger, in the ground palms.

This one was/is a large tub Copernicia gigas that had doing fine. Not sure of the cause for it to get the fungus, but the weirdest thing I observed in May was the "crinkly dry" look of some emerging spears. The weirdest observation was a fan leaf that had opened roughly 75-80% of the way start to close back up..I've never seen that before. I can't remember if I cut just before the Biennial or just after, but I think I cut the first  week of June.

These pics were taken on the 11th, about a week or less after I cut. You can see where it was pushing, but the necrosis was still attacking.

 

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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A few days later, I was proud enough of it's growth, I texted MattyB to share my success and Thank him for the idea in the first place.

 

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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His reply was "I don't think you cut low enough"... turns out later he didn't notice the push so much as the necrotic tissue. He said "I think you have to go lower"...

With a lot of trepidation I cut maybe another 3/8". I also had cut on an incline to give natural drainage to any water or excess Hydrogen peroxide.

 

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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The next thing I had to do was find the granular "T-Methyl" @MattyB had found and used from Scotts. Basically it was a lawn broadcast fungicide. I looked in several places locally, but could not find it. I finally got the current Scotts lawn fungicide and made a dry paste almost by dropping granules and lightly watering. During this time I was watering the plant heavily, just not in the crown area. 

Significant progress was noted about a month ago. Although the "spear" seemed to be lagging. It was the surrounding growth appearing to just "carry" the spear along.

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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This was about a week ago...

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And taken just this past minute.  Have a go and good luck if you have to do it!!

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

kinzyjr Grand Master

kinzyjr

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@BS Man about Palms

Nice save!

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

Darold Petty Grand Master

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Glad to see the obligatory weeds in the pot, lol !    :mrlooney: 

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San Francisco, California

realarch Grand Master

realarch

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That certainly looks promising! Quite the surgical and treatment exercise Bill, and an option for those who are having similar situations.

Tim 

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I was reminded this may actually be a baileyana.. :blush:

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

aztropic Grand Master

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18 minutes ago, BS Man about Palms said:

I was reminded this may actually be a baileyana.. :blush:

I would have to second that opinion. Copernicia gigas fronds are more of a V shape frond. Here is a pic of young gigas.

 

aztropic

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

JubaeaMan138 Grand Master

JubaeaMan138

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Let’s see the Baileyana Scott compared to gigas at that size :wub:

aztropic Grand Master

aztropic

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Same age bailey.Fronds are bluer and fuller.

 

aztropic

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

aztropic Grand Master

aztropic

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A larger bailey frond. (don't have a mature gigas to show,yet)

 

aztropic

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

DoomsDave Grand Master

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Whoa, @BS Man about Palms, a great save from the grave! :greenthumb:

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I have done this very thing and it worked amazingly well ! You are correct that timing is the crucial factor. December 2010 was the coldest one in Florida, I think ever, and I had supremely healthy Areca palms (dypsis lutescens) that were burned badly from cold. I made the decision to cut back the palms by about 4 inches below the visible damage. It worked ! New, green spears began to appear on all but two (smaller palms were not as hardy and didn't survive) and today are tall and healthy!

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Palm Tree Jim Grand Master

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Well done Sir!

Cindy Adair Grand Master

Cindy Adair

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Sounds like I gave up on some too soon without even a battle. Great to see success and thanks to Bill for the excellent text and photo sequence (and MattyB for his input) that may easily help save some palms similarly afflicted.

Cindy Adair

Moose Grand Master

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Bill Sanford, Palm Surgeon. Add it to your Palm Resume.

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Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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