Plant ID Help - Lisbon (Portugal)

[Palm Portugal]

Hello Dear Fellows palm collectors!

I was surprised by this Palm in front of jardim da Estrela (garden of star) in Lisbon. I was curious to know what is this, surely is not a Phoenix Canarienis or dactyfilera. Also i don’t think is a reclinata. If anyone have some hint about it..

 

[gyuseppe]

perhaps hybrid canariensis x dactylifera

 

[Cluster]

Unfortunately I am not an expert in Phoenix, but it is good to see a post about Lisbon, hopefully someone will be able to answer. 

[Pal Meir]

Why do you think that it is »surely not« a Ph dactylifera?

[Phoenikakias]

Typical dactylifera imo.

[Pal Meir]

I have found this old photo in my collection, showing also a Ph dactylifera cluster with not removed suckers:

[Yort]

I think the inflorescence is to short for dactylifera.

[Vinc]

Yes, this is P. dactylifera.

19 minutes ago, Yort said:

I think the inflorescence is to short for dactylifera.

Male inflorescences are this short in P. dactylifera. Female infl. are much longer...

[Pal Meir]

1 hour ago, Yort said:

I think the inflorescence is to short for dactylifera.

Here a pic of male inflorescence by ©Jose B. Ruiz:

http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/images/3/34/Date-palm-male-flowers.jpg

[Palm Portugal]

19 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

Why do you think that it is »surely not« a Ph dactylifera?

Hello! Thank you all by the replies!

I though it was not a dactylifera because the trunk seems different (maybe because of huge amount of “fur”).

I also check than in the old garden in front of this palm there is a P.reclinata really very old, and perhaps this can be a híbrid between that reclinata and dactylifera. 

As reclinata is usually in cluster, perhaps this make some sense. 

[Pal Meir]

47 minutes ago, Palm Portugal said:

I also check than in the old garden in front of this palm there is a P.reclinata really very old, and perhaps this can be a híbrid between that reclinata and dactylifera. 

As reclinata is usually in cluster, perhaps this make some sense. 

I can’t undestand you again. Since Ph dactylifera produces usually suckers it is a clustering palm; why should that palm be a hybrid?  As @Phoenikakias already wrote it is a typical dactylifera.

[Palm Portugal]

Hello! Thank by the help @Pal Meir,  @Phoenikakias and all fellow palm lovers, my doubts are clarified