Pahokee Jamaican tall coconut

[Zeeth]

I've seen this palm referenced a few times on Palmtalk, so I stopped by to take some pictures on the way back to Tampa. It's quite tall! It's definitely a relic from the pre-LY era. Unfortunately there were no coconuts underneath!

 

 

[kinzyjr]

Even at all of 6'4", that thing makes you look like an ant.  Very nice specimen.  Might be able to find someone to climb it and get the coconuts down for the right amount of money LOL. 

[PalmTreeDude]

WOW that is big! I think it beats some of the towering ones I saw in West Palm Beach. Pahokee must have a really good climate. 

[bubba]

I have seen that palm and several other tall ones like that out in the Glades in Pahokee (lip of Lake O). The most amazing thing is that palm and other tall boys like it have not been struck by lightning. Plenty of lightning rolls off Lake O in those thunderstorms and not just in the summer.

As I have discussed far too often, Pahokee (lip of Lake O) enjoys a micro-climate well known by all the folks out in the Glades. A well known farmer, who literally rode horseback from Arcadia, Fl. to Pahokee in the early 1900’s, kept meticulous records. His backyard nearly touched the Lake and he never recorded a freezing temperature. He raised a family and lived to be nearly 100. His records included 1989.

Lastly, how are you so certain that the palm is a Jamaican? The Providencia, which sank off Palm Beach in 1878 was loaded with 20,000 Coconuts from Trinidad. I believe we should be referring to these Coconuts as Trinidad Talls not Jamaican! That stated, I am certain that more than a few Jamaican Coconuts have slipped in over the years. Thank you for your time and great picture!

[redant]

It's really to bad Pahokee is such a dump, such a great micro climate.

[Yunder Wækraus]

On 12/2/2018 at 1:45 PM, bubba said:

I have seen that palm and several other tall ones like that out in the Glades in Pahokee (lip of Lake O). The most amazing thing is that palm and other tall boys like it have not been struck by lightning. Plenty of lightning rolls off Lake O in those thunderstorms and not just in the summer.

As I have discussed far too often, Pahokee (lip of Lake O) enjoys a micro-climate well known by all the folks out in the Glades. A well known farmer, who literally rode horseback from Arcadia, Fl. to Pahokee in the early 1900’s, kept meticulous records. His backyard nearly touched the Lake and he never recorded a freezing temperature. He raised a family and lived to be nearly 100. His records included 1989.

Lastly, how are you so certain that the palm is a Jamaican? The Providencia, which sank off Palm Beach in 1878 was loaded with 20,000 Coconuts from Trinidad. I believe we should be referring to these Coconuts as Trinidad Talls not Jamaican! That stated, I am certain that more than a few Jamaican Coconuts have slipped in over the years. Thank you for your time and great picture!

I want to know more about this farmer!

[GottmitAlex]

Interesting.  No fruit huh?

How cold or cool does it get in Pahokee?

Of all the documented coconut palms in cali, none have produced fruit and the Mexicali one which has produced seed,  evidently the seed freezes and does not pollinate.

I wonder if there is a pattern here.

Although Walt's, in a Florida 9b, does produce edible fruit.

 

 

[Zeeth]

1 minute ago, GottmitAlex said:

Interesting.  No fruit huh?

How cold or cool does it get in Pahokee?

Of all the documented coconut palms in cali, none have produced fruit and the Mexicali one which has produced seed,  evidently the seed freezes and does not pollinate.

I wonder if there is a pattern here.

Although Walt's, in a Florida 9b, does produce edible fruit.

 

 

There were fruit, just none underneath the tree (it had been mowed recently). Zoom in on the third picture and you can see the fruit hanging off the tree. 

[GottmitAlex]

Ahh. Ok. Got it.

Thank you

[pj_orlando_z9b]

I would not want to be anywhere near a tree of that height when a coconut falls! How old is that? I've seen all the large coconuts around Orlando fruit at some point but never seen if any can mature because they are removed. I have seen coconuts on the ground in Cocoa Beach. 

[redant]

1 hour ago, GottmitAlex said:

Interesting.  No fruit huh?

How cold or cool does it get in Pahokee?

Of all the documented coconut palms in cali, none have produced fruit and the Mexicali one which has produced seed,  evidently the seed freezes and does not pollinate.

I wonder if there is a pattern here.

Although Walt's, in a Florida 9b, does produce edible fruit.

 

 

take a look around   https://www.google.com/maps/@26.8248407,-80.6663212,3a,75y,149.8h,91.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sC8DwxAvU-D69wkLog8jehw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656    Pahokee being on the southeast edge of lake O gets an amazing micro climate, fruiting tall coconuts, very old royals and tons of other topicals. The soil is also amazing out there.

[GottmitAlex]

32 minutes ago, redant said:

take a look around   https://www.google.com/maps/@26.8248407,-80.6663212,3a,75y,149.8h,91.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sC8DwxAvU-D69wkLog8jehw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656    Pahokee being on the southeast edge of lake O gets an amazing micro climate, fruiting tall coconuts, very old royals and tons of other topicals. The soil is also amazing out there.

Got it. Thank you.

[SWFLchris]

There are very tall coconuts all over Belle Glade, South Bay, Clewiston. That area south of the lake is a definite microclimate. 

[John Max]

Trinidad & Tobago
What type of coconut?

[bubba]

Zeeth would be your man to run genetics and compare and contrast the Trinidad Talls and the Jamaican Talls!

[bubba]

This point is actually a very interesting one. There is no question that the original coconuts in large order in the Palm Beach area came from the 20,000 coconuts that arrived from the shipwrecked Providencia in 1878. There is anecdotal discussion of coconuts pre-existing the Providencia episode in other areas of Florida.
 

The lethal yellowing episode commencing in the 1970s certainly created an expansion of numerous different specimens of Cocos nucifera from many areas of the world. That stated, my question is what truly constitutes the specimen generically referred to as “Jamaican Talls”? Is this expression confined strictly to coconuts hailing from Jamaica or does it expand it to all coconuts grown in the Caribbean region?

 

 

 

[cbraunig]

Does anyone have the coordinates to the super tall coconut? @Zeeth

[bubba]

Heading west on State Road 80, you make the turn onto the ratty road through the cane fields that heads north of Pahokee that feels like a bounce house because of all the heavy trucks combined with the movable muck that makes it so hard to keep decent roads in the Glades. 
 

When you reach the Quick Stop Grocery and Gas Station, you take the road headed south (if you head north you will end up in Canal Point). Travel about 1 mile south and look for Bacom Point Road. Drive slow thereafter and you cannot miss it together with a great deal of interesting vegetation.

Having gone this far, you should definitely drive over the dike into one of the numerous boathouse/fishing boat rentals on the Lake, where you can buy about anything you want. If you are a bicycle person, you can either rent a bike or bring your own and navigate your way completely around the Lake on the trail on the Dike. It is about 60 miles around but an interesting jaunt. I hope this helps…

[John Max]

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ortoire,+Trinidad+ve+Tobago/@10.3514613,-61.0028185,3a,28.2y,339.63h,96.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipM2yXKs67CieIzGtuB3gwqTC9kKKHS-q3BWk3w!2e10!7i7680!8i3840!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x8c3607976350b6c5:0xff082855c639f127!2sTrinidad+ve+Tobago!3b1!8m2!3d10.691803!4d-61.222503!3m4!1s0x8c4a15c7dbfb357b:0x62c961bd743f9e5c!8m2!3d10.3300449!4d-60.9976494

15.03.2022 saat 04:57'de cbraunig şunları söyledi:

Süper uzun hindistan cevizinin koordinatlarını bilen var mı?@Zeeth

 

[chukfluk]

@bubba can I get the exact coordinates?

[bubba]

What in the world are coordinates?

[chukfluk]

 A pair of numbers and/or letters that show the exact position of a point on a map or graph.Nvm just give me a google map link

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

On 3/13/2022 at 10:41 AM, bubba said:

This point is actually a very interesting one. There is no question that the original coconuts in large order in the Palm Beach area came from the 20,000 coconuts that arrived from the shipwrecked Providencia in 1878. There is anecdotal discussion of coconuts pre-existing the Providencia episode in other areas of Florida.
 

The lethal yellowing episode commencing in the 1970s certainly created an expansion of numerous different specimens of Cocos nucifera from many areas of the world. That stated, my question is what truly constitutes the specimen generically referred to as “Jamaican Talls”? Is this expression confined strictly to coconuts hailing from Jamaica or does it expand it to all coconuts grown in the Caribbean region?

 

 

 

I have always understood that the original Tall variety of Coconut Palms throughout the Caribbean Islands, is the Jamaican Tall.

John

[cocoforcoconuts]

I love the microclimate in Pahokee and Belle Glade. Lots of tropical gems there

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

On 3/13/2022 at 10:41 AM, bubba said:

This point is actually a very interesting one. There is no question that the original coconuts in large order in the Palm Beach area came from the 20,000 coconuts that arrived from the shipwrecked Providencia in 1878. There is anecdotal discussion of coconuts pre-existing the Providencia episode in other areas of Florida.
 

The lethal yellowing episode commencing in the 1970s certainly created an expansion of numerous different specimens of Cocos nucifera from many areas of the world. That stated, my question is what truly constitutes the specimen generically referred to as “Jamaican Talls”? Is this expression confined strictly to coconuts hailing from Jamaica or does it expand it to all coconuts grown in the Caribbean region?

 

 

 

From what I understand, the parentage of the Jamaican Tall is the West African Tall.

John

[bubba]

I agree that the standard nomenclature for Cocos nucifera from the Carribean is Jamaican Tall. It is interesting but not surprising that they ultimately traveled from Africa.
 

The wreck of the Providencia in 1878 off the shore of Palm Beach in January dumped the 20,000 coconuts that powered this area. Although they were from Trinidad, I agree that the proper nomenclature is Jamaican tall! That ship was also loaded with a large amount of wine that was not wasted in a two week party that followed thereafter!

[SweatyPalms]

I had to log in just to provide a very unfortunate update. Our beloved JT Pahokee coconut is no more. What a run, what an iconic tree, I estimate it had been there since or just after the 1928 hurricane. I travel the area, grew up not far from there and visit often. I often check Google street view in certain areas and I ride through the Glades often. Where is the coconut I asked myself..then I knew it was bad news. I set street view to 2022 and it was where I remember it my entire lifetime and the updated view in 2023 it’s gone.  Just like that. I hate feeling so attached to a tree but it was one of those grand survivors and I felt it would have escaped disease for its remaining life.  Looks to me that somebody bought the old property it was on, leveled everything. Could’ve left the tree. It was hard to see but there was a nice one behind it too. I wish I had better news.

[SweatyPalms]

On 6/25/2023 at 8:57 PM, cocoforcoconuts said:

I love the microclimate in Pahokee and Belle Glade. Lots of tropical gems there

There are gorgeous trees for sure. The old royal palms are great. Those old cypress on the side of the road are a sign of where the water line used to be. The huge Ceiba tree at USDA in Canal Point is nice.

[cocoforcoconuts]

On 7/20/2023 at 1:51 AM, SweatyPalms said:

I had to log in just to provide a very unfortunate update. Our beloved JT Pahokee coconut is no more. What a run, what an iconic tree, I estimate it had been there since or just after the 1928 hurricane. I travel the area, grew up not far from there and visit often. I often check Google street view in certain areas and I ride through the Glades often. Where is the coconut I asked myself..then I knew it was bad news. I set street view to 2022 and it was where I remember it my entire lifetime and the updated view in 2023 it’s gone.  Just like that. I hate feeling so attached to a tree but it was one of those grand survivors and I felt it would have escaped disease for its remaining life.  Looks to me that somebody bought the old property it was on, leveled everything. Could’ve left the tree. It was hard to see but there was a nice one behind it too. I wish I had better news.

Ugh that is so frustrating.

[chukfluk]

On 7/20/2023 at 12:51 AM, SweatyPalms said:

I had to log in just to provide a very unfortunate update. Our beloved JT Pahokee coconut is no more. What a run, what an iconic tree, I estimate it had been there since or just after the 1928 hurricane. I travel the area, grew up not far from there and visit often. I often check Google street view in certain areas and I ride through the Glades often. Where is the coconut I asked myself..then I knew it was bad news. I set street view to 2022 and it was where I remember it my entire lifetime and the updated view in 2023 it’s gone.  Just like that. I hate feeling so attached to a tree but it was one of those grand survivors and I felt it would have escaped disease for its remaining life.  Looks to me that somebody bought the old property it was on, leveled everything. Could’ve left the tree. It was hard to see but there was a nice one behind it too. I wish I had better news.

Bad news indeed  

[SweatyPalms]

I present to you all the Pompano Beach Coconut. This might be our new leader. I remember this tree being tall my entire life and it’s still going strong. NE 14 St just west of the Intracoastal bridge.

[Hurricanepalms]

Thanks for sharing! Impressive and healthy.

[Yunder Wækraus]

On 8/11/2023 at 9:19 PM, chukfluk said:

Bad news indeed  

Heartbreaking I knew it well. My father was actually born in the Pahokee hospital in 1946 (though the family was living in South Bay). Minimally, that was there for his entire childhood. It's always sad when an iconic tree dies, whether due to man or nature. RIP, Pahokee coconut