Another Dypsis ID required

[Daryl]

Here's a photo of a Dypsis I obtained 18 months ago as a shot seed.

anybody care to take a guess at what it could be?

Daryl.

[Greg in Lake Forest CA]

Daryl,

This looks like the fake ambositrae, in short, not the Australian seed one.

[Jeff Searle]

Daryl,

    Is there any chance of a sideview picture and\or another angle? This would help greatly.

What I do know, is that it's not D.sp."Fine Leaf"(the fake D. ambositrae,Australian seed) plant. They don't have leaflets this wide, very narrow leaflets.

[cfkingfish]

A side view would definitely be lovely. It also has irregular leaflets - does it happen to show a heel too?

[deezpalms]

Looks similar to my cabadae's.

[JD in the OC]

I recognized it right off the bat as Dypsis sp. "Kindreo".   I just bought a 1 gallon and have dozens of seedlings.  Bruno posted pics of the mature plant in the archived IPS board.

JD

[Jeff Searle]

(JD in the OC @ Jul. 30 2006,15:56)

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I recognized it right off the bat as Dypsis sp. "Kindreo".   I just bought a 1 gallon and have dozens of seedlings.  Bruno posted pics of the mature plant in the archived IPS board.

JD

The problem is, Kindreo is not a valid specie name and often used in Madag. as a name descibing many different species. About 5 years ago I bought seed under the name Dypsis sp. Kindreo. Now these plants are 5' tall and are most defntly. a RAVENEA.

[Dypsisdean]

Daryl & JD,

Unfortunately I have seen many palms labeled as 'kindreo.' And to further complicate things, the word "kindro" in Madagascar refers to palms with a good tasting heart.

I think this quote from a listing in Ebay for D. 'kindreo' sums it up rather well:

JUST DISCOVERED!

TRY OUT THIS "MYSTERY PALM"

NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE!

Edit: Jeff's post just snuck in ahead of mine. But I'll leave it as is. Looks like we agree.

[Daryl]

OK, here are two more views of the palm...

regards,

Daryl.

[JD in the OC]

I'll post a pic of mine as soon as I buy a new camera (lost my last one).  It looks JUST like that one Daryl, and I've grown lots of them from seed.  Definitely not a Ravenea if they're the same...

I believe they mostly come from Alfred, Bruno's friend who has a nursery there.

JD

[MattyB]

Obviously not a Ravenea....nice crownshaft and pink petiole....I have no clue.

[sebastian]

No Idea

If you hadn't said it was a dypsis...I would of been thinking it was something else altogether.

Looks nice though.

[Howeadypsis]

Nice reddish young stem on that one!

[Tyrone]

That looks very special Daryl. I have no idea. It doesn't look like anything I've seen before. Definitely Dypsis though.

regards

Tyrone

[BigFrond]

It's definitely a palm.  What type of palm is it?  I don't know.

[Matt in SD]

I had the same thought as JD when I saw the photo.  It looks just like the Dypsis 'kindreo' that I have.  While this isn't a valid name, I am fairly certain that the seeds for this latest Dypsis 'kindreo' came from Alfred (Bruno's friend), so the photos in Bruno's post are most likely mature specimens of this palm.

Time will tell...

Matt

[elHoagie]

Like Matt and JD said, this is definitely the same palm that Jeff Marcus sells as Dypsis "kindreo".  This same palm also came in with a batch of seed labeled as Dypsis ambositrae a couple years ago in SoCal.

[Daryl]

To tell the truth, this was purchased as Dypsis ambositrae. I was just hoping somebody out there had the real thing and would say it was the same..LOL! Whatever it is , it looks to be an attractive palm. It isn't exactly speedy, but I can live with that.

regards,

Daryl.

[RainForestt Robert]

Daryl, does this look like the same palm to you?

No idea what it is though.

[Howeadypsis]

Bob,

Isnt there a palm called Dypsis linearis? The shape of those leaves would fit that name!

[Jeff Searle]

Daryl,

  This topic has been on my mind since I first looked at it. I have been trying to figure out this Dypsis species, which is driving me crazy! After hearing you mention that it might have been listed as D. ambositrae, I went back and looked over my recent photos. BINGO!!!

   I think I am 99.999% sure that this is the true species of Dypsis ambositrae. It has the classic new red emerging spear leaf comming out. We saw one small juvenile plant , at the garden in the capital, Tana. Also, after long periods of driving many hours, we finally found some large specimens in habitat. What you have I believe, is an extreamly rare palm.

   Hopefully, I will post some pictures of the true Dypsis ambositrae in habitat,in a day or so.

[Jeff Searle]

(Howeadypsis @ Aug. 01 2006,18:55)

QUOTE

Bob,

Isnt there a palm called Dypsis linearis? The shape of those leaves would fit that name!

Howeadypsis,

    If you go to my topic "Madagascar Expedition April 05", to the last page maybe when we were on Ile Sainte Marie,I posted a couple of D. linearis. The leaves have grouped leaflets. Now, I suspect the photo of the small ones still could change in looks as it gets larger. So...it's hard to say what they will turn out to be.

[Dypsisdean]

Daryl,

I think Jeff is on to something. I went out and looked over the seedlings I have that are suppossed to be the real D. ambositrae. The seed, I believe, came from Oz. Following are two pics of two different seedlings. Although not as big as yours, they sure look similar. What do you think?

1:

[Dypsisdean]

Number 2:

[Daryl]

Trinidad Bob, your plant looks like the plant we have for sale here called Dypsis 'laffa', which some seem to think may be the real D.ceraceus.

Jeff, thanks for the ID. I sure hope this is the real thing, as D.ambositrae is one of my favourite Dypsis and I have been chasing it for years now (ever since POM came out!).

Dean, yes your seedlings look very similar to mine. Where in Oz were the seeds sourced from?

regards,

Daryl.

Now to keep searching for Dypsis ampasindavae!  Anybody got this beauty yet?

[bgl]

I remember reading in POM that 'laffa' (or maybe 'lafa', not sure) is a generic word for 'palm' in Madagascar, so that could be pretty much anything.

And about D. ceracea - unless it's been found since 1995 when POM was published, I'd think it's unlikely we're going to get our hands on this one. Acc. to POM "has not been collected for almost 50 years"!!

[elHoagie]

(Jeff Searle @ Aug. 01 2006,22:55)

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We saw one small juvenile plant , at the garden in the capital, Tana.

Jeff,

I also saw that small plant near the Marojejya insignis at the Tsimbazaza that was labeled D. ambositrae.  It's definitely the same species as this palm.  

Also, I've seen a somewhat larger plant of this species, but still no trunk.  The leaflets were starting to become very thin, almost like the leaflets on the fake ambositrae that has the brown crownshaft when young.

Jack

[Dypsisdean]

Daryl,

I don't know where the seed came from. But I think I remember the grower saying they were from Oz. I'll ask next time I talk to him.

[sebastian]

Daryl

So the big question where abouts did u get this seed from?

Im placing my money on it being the real deal after seing the pics Jeff posted.

[Daryl]

Sebastian, I got mine from one of the plant stalls at the local flea markets. There is a seller there who gets weird stuff occasionally. That's the same place I got my Red Triangles about 7 years ago. The palms are just about always mis-labeled. My red triangles were called rednecks, my foxy ladies were called Black Palms..these look to have correct labelling!

regards,

Daryl.

[sebastian]

wow....I was expecting you to say from up north.

[Tyrone]

Daryl, Your Flea markets sound wonderful. Here you might get a bangalow or a cotton palm, Syagrus romanhkdhkklashkl, or roebellinii at a local market. Boring.

regards

Tyrone

[Walter John]

(Daryl @ Aug. 04 2006,21:02)

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Sebastian, I got mine from one of the plant stalls at the local flea markets. There is a seller there who gets weird stuff occasionally. That's the same place I got my Red Triangles about 7 years ago. The palms are just about always mis-labeled. My red triangles were called rednecks, my foxy ladies were called Black Palms..these look to have correct labelling!

regards,

Daryl.

Hi Daryl

I'm curious about these markets you mentioned. Have you been to these markets lately ? Anything interesting there if so ?

I haven't been to the caboolture markets for ages, there's usually something there worth getting. That's where I got my Archo myolensis from. Don't see that in too many places.

[www.dadluvsu.com]

Daryl, How about an updated picture of this palm?

[Daryl]

Hi Bill, OK, I will try to photograph and post to the board tomorrow when it is light. They look very different now...probably the same as what a lot of people are growing...

regards,

Daryl

[Daryl]

Here is an updated photo...does this look familiar to anyone?

[Tyrone]

I still reckon it's Dypsis ambositrae true form.

Best regards

Tyrone

[rockos82]

before and after lokos like my ambo I got from KW almost 2 years ago...Mine isn't quite as big as yours