Sabal palmetto vs birmingham hardiness

[knikfar]

22 hours ago, Allen said:

If you go to the video I posted above and go to Gary’s channel he posted a thunderstorm video that shows a couple of his sabal casualties in 2020 still.  It would have been great if he did a video of what survived.   He wrapped his butia 

Yeah, I've seen that and I've asked him to do an update and show what survived. The butia hybrid he has up against his house did survive. I know the trunk developed rot that he had to cut out and that resulted in the need for Gary to add supports to keep the palm upright. But aside from that, the palm appears to be healthy and thriving. It has also sprouted babies underneath that received no protection during that cold event. 

[WSimpson]

On 9/14/2022 at 9:20 AM, knikfar said:

Did you know Gary Hollar had palmettos that survived? And his area had lower temps in 2018 than we did in Raleigh. And I believe our temps in Raleigh were lower than yours. 

Here are my temperatures during that cold period . Palmettos didn't like that cold period . Birminghams just had some beat up fronds   :

 

December 31st the High was 31 and the Low was 21F 

January 1st  High of 26F and a Low of 13F 

January 2nd High 30F and Low of 9F 

January 3rd High 30F and a Low of 14F 

January 4th  High 28F and Low 16F 

January 5th High  29F and a Low of 10F 

January 6th High 26F and a Low of 8F 

January 7th High  28F and a Low of 7F 

 

January 8th High of 43F and Low of  19F 

January 9th High 63F and a Low of  40F 

 

[teddytn]

what’s everyone’s thoughts on bald head island palmetto hardiness? 

[WSimpson]

1 hour ago, teddytn said:

what’s everyone’s thoughts on bald head island palmetto hardiness? 

It's hard to say because BHI is probably milder than places further south . I just checked the averages and that water around the island and the way it juts out    keeps  it pretty mild . Below are the averages .

 

[teddytn]

41 minutes ago, Will Simpson said:

It's hard to say because BHI is probably milder than places further south . I just checked the averages and that water around the island and the way it juts out    keeps  it pretty mild . Below are the averages .

 

I personally want them to be hardier that’s for sure lol. I tried looking up the low temp record and couldn’t find it somehow lol. 

[knikfar]

19 hours ago, Will Simpson said:

Here are my temperatures during that cold period . Palmettos didn't like that cold period . Birminghams just had some beat up fronds   :

 

December 31st the High was 31 and the Low was 21F 

January 1st  High of 26F and a Low of 13F 

January 2nd High 30F and Low of 9F 

January 3rd High 30F and a Low of 14F 

January 4th  High 28F and Low 16F 

January 5th High  29F and a Low of 10F 

January 6th High 26F and a Low of 8F 

January 7th High  28F and a Low of 7F 

 

January 8th High of 43F and Low of  19F 

January 9th High 63F and a Low of  40F 

 

I've attached a compilation of pictures Gary referred me to showing the survival of his NC grown sabal palmettos after the 2018 cold event. I've also included a chart showing the temps at the New Bern Airport, which Gay says is slightly warmer than his property. This is why I think its so important to plant NC grown sabals in NC and start them from a small size so they can grow in place and establish a strong root system. Its definitely not a guarantee of survival but I do think it improves the chances. 

[Allen]

2 hours ago, knikfar said:

I've attached a compilation of pictures Gary referred me to showing the survival of his NC grown sabal palmettos after the 2018 cold event. I've also included a chart showing the temps at the New Bern Airport, which Gay says is slightly warmer than his property. This is why I think its so important to plant NC grown sabals in NC and start them from a small size so they can grow in place and establish a strong root system. Its definitely not a guarantee of survival but I do think it improves the chances. 

Yes a tough call .  Do you plant a dug trunking Sabal now and hope bad weather doesn’t kill it.  And if it does you can plant another.  Or plant small and wait 20-30 years for a nice trunked palmetto that may be stronger for sure but could still perish.  

[Steve in Florida]

A simple heat source around the trunk that protects the growth point will allow the palm to survive.  It is only necessary to bring the core temperature slightly above freezing to maintain fluid transfer at a level that will sustain the trunk.  If the trunk survives it will be able to replace any leaves lost to cold.