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Bottle or Spindle

Jeff985

By Jeff985
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Saw this at a nursery. It’s labeled as a bottle palm, but I have four of those and they are sold pretty much everywhere here, and this looks a little different. The petioles aren’t red. I know that bottles grow out of that but this is about the same size as my bottles and they are still red so this seems too young for that. Also the base isn’t as bulging and the leaflets on this go pretty much all the way down the petioles, on the bottles I’ve seen they don’t. Spindles are pretty rare here so I’m not at all familiar with them. 

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I’d call that a spindle palm.

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Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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Spindle...  buy it!!!    touch hardier for me here in Cali

 

 

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I was thinking the same thing. It just didn’t quite look like a bottle palm. I’ve got a gift card burning a hole in my pocket. If it was a bottle I would pass, but a spindle... Might have to buy it. 

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Okay. I have to buy it now. 

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Bust out that gift card and get that bad boy haha 

T J 

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1 minute ago, OC2Texaspalmlvr said:

Bust out that gift card and get that bad boy haha 

This one’s small enough you won’t have to drop everything you’re doing to help me get it home. Unlike the last palm I bought. 

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I didn’t know you took a picture of it. Here it is now. 

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Yeah I snapped a quick pic haha looking good now if we can have another mild winter =) 

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Yeah. Waiting til spring to plant that one wasn’t going to be an option. It’s to big to move into the house if we get a cold snap, so it’s better off in the ground where it’s roots are insulated. The spindle probably won’t be planted til spring though. It still small enough to take inside if I need to. 

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When it comes to Hyophorbe genus palms, I love 'em all. I am growing lagenicaulis and indica red myself.

They are just gorgeous palms.

Nice find on that verschaffeltii.

 

5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)

 

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On 12/7/2019 at 8:59 PM, Jeff985 said:

Yeah. Waiting til spring to plant that one wasn’t going to be an option. It’s to big to move into the house if we get a cold snap, so it’s better off in the ground where it’s roots are insulated. The spindle probably won’t be planted til spring though. It still small enough to take inside if I need to. 

It will love your heat, humidity, and sun. If there's a place on one side of your house that can block coldest winds... game on

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20 minutes ago, TomJ said:

It will love your heat, humidity, and sun. If there's a place on one side of your house that can block coldest winds... game on

I’ve already got the perfect spot picked out. I’m creating a seating area against the south side of my house overlooking my son’s slide and sandbox. I’ll put a bench there along with this palm and a few other plants. 

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Nice looking  spindle. I'm always looking for new nurseries that sell palms. Haven't found one yet with spindles. If you dont mind me asking what nursery was that at? I guess I missed something, what was the second palm in this thread? 

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53 minutes ago, HtownPalms said:

Nice looking  spindle. I'm always looking for new nurseries that sell palms. Haven't found one yet with spindles. If you dont mind me asking what nursery was that at? I guess I missed something, what was the second palm in this thread? 

Flamingos gardens in Galveston 

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54 minutes ago, Jeff985 said:

Flamingos gardens in Galveston 

They also have some doubles that are a little bigger and a lot more expensive. $400!

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Spindle Spindle

Stick it in your bindle

Keep the "rental" receipt if it's a Home Ed Pot Palm . . . .

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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5 minutes ago, DoomsDave said:

Spindle Spindle

Stick it in your bindle

Keep the "rental" receipt if it's a Home Ed Pot Palm . . . .

Yeah. I’m not sure about hardiness. I’ve read on some sites that say 25 and some that say 30. If it’s 25 it should have a long life at my place, especially in the protected spot I’m putting it. If it’s 30 it’ll still last a while, but it’ll be much more questionable. Looks like it’ll be easy to protect though. 

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21 minutes ago, Jeff985 said:

Yeah. I’m not sure about hardiness. I’ve read on some sites that say 25 and some that say 30. If it’s 25 it should have a long life at my place, especially in the protected spot I’m putting it. If it’s 30 it’ll still last a while, but it’ll be much more questionable. Looks like it’ll be easy to protect though. 

Hugetown gets cold, eventually, really cold, alas. I really think it's an indoor plant long-term. Get one of those teens FF freezes, it's toast.

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If I’m not mistaken the last time the bay area saw temps below 20 was 1989. I’m new to the area. Only been here 3 years, but that’s the info I’m finding online. 
 

Not saying it can’t happen. I’m just saying I like my odds. 

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Spindle a few houses away saw 28F and was defoliated in 2010 but came back and took 30F advective even two years ago with minimal damage.  I thought it might die in 2010 but, its still there and looks about 10-15% larger in 9 years. though its only seen below 32F a handfull of days in that time.  Im not betting on that palm at 25F unless its a short radiational cold event.  

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Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

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Thanks. Good info. 

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Yep, Spindles and Bottles look very similar when young.  The Bottles have reddish stems, and the Spindles are yellowish.  I have both in my yard and in pots, last winter I had a pair of "rescue" Spindles that were still in poor health before the winter.  They were 75% damaged in two 33F nights, but both very slowly recovered.  They still look kind of bad because I transplanted them in the middle of summer to a more protected spot.  If I get another couple of hard freezes this winter they'll probably die.  They are not long-term survivors below 30F unless protected, their hardiness is only slightly better than coconuts but with 1/2 the growth rate.  My notes on them have Spindles sometimes surviving down to 26F (with >50% defoliation) but definite death in the 22-23F range.

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HtownPalms Rising Star

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9 hours ago, Jeff985 said:

Flamingos gardens in Galveston 

Thanks! I haven't been there yet. Definitely putting visiting there on my to do list!

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On 12/10/2019 at 7:20 PM, Jeff985 said:

I’ve already got the perfect spot picked out. I’m creating a seating area against the south side of my house overlooking my son’s slide and sandbox. I’ll put a bench there along with this palm and a few other plants. 

Also they can't get enough water... very thirsty

 

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