Sabal uresana

[MASOALA JASON]

Some photos of Sabal uresana in Tucson, Arizona. One of the photos has other palm species in the background with two individuals of Sabal uresana to left foreground. .

[Silas_Sancona]

  On 4/12/2020 at 5:18 PM, MASOALA JASON said:

Some photos of Sabal uresana in Tucson, Arizona. One of the photos has other palm species in the background with two individuals of Sabal uresana to left foreground. .

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Tohono Chul Park?  Looks like their Nacapule Canyon display.

 

[Meangreen94z]

Very nice, Sabal Uresana are among my favorites. I’ve posted the ones at John Fairey Garden before(formerly Peckerwood)

[Kris]

Thanks for those beautiful visuals...The leaf colour is terrific along with the their dried boots.Anf the palms are neatly trimmed.

Love,

Kris.

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

Ive only seen one small in the Pheonix area so far.  A small one in the Xeresxape garden in glendale.   Hopefully I'll see some big ones like those beauties above. Im suprised they are so rare here while I see a palmetto a day when I'm out. 

[Meangreen94z]

Yeah, I’m not sure at what point the blue/silver form of Sabal Uresana was brought to U.S. cultivation. I know the seeds for the above palms were collected in Mexico when that garden was part of Yuccado Nursery. They also brought over Brahea Moorei and Sabal Tamaulipas, so they may have been among the first if not the first to offer it. 
   It’s a great palm. For those that can’t grow or are in a marginal climate for Bismarckia, this is an excellent substitute. It has taken 14-15*F in those gardens with no significant damage, and unlike Brahea Armata it does extremely well in wet/humid environments, the only downside is it’s slower growing(compared to Bismarckia). 

Edited April 14, 2020 by Meangreen94z

[Silas_Sancona]

  On 4/14/2020 at 7:06 AM, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Ive only seen one small in the Pheonix area so far.  A small one in the Xeresxape garden in glendale.   Hopefully I'll see some big ones like those beauties above. Im suprised they are so rare here while I see a palmetto a day when I'm out. 

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As i've said before, local nurseries ( w/ the capacity to do so ), as well as some of the larger landscape companies in town didn't just drop the ball regarding growing/ promoting these / making them a mainstay  palm species around town / the state ( where they can be grown )... they attached firecrackers to that ball, blew it up and stomped on what remained afterwards ..wasting efforts and $$ on Washingtonia robustra, Dates, and Queens

Luckily, a couple small nurseries in T-town ( Tucson ) are starting to grow them more, as well as some of the less common ( but should be much more common ) Brahea species.. so there's hope they won't be as uncommon as they are currently.

If i had access to a dozen A+ 24-36" sized S. uresana ( and maybe a few Becarriophoenix thrown in ) i'd be talking with the city of Chandler to have all the Washingtonia in our street island removed and replaced.. Its 2020, time for something different..

[Jimbean]

I read somewhere that those might be native to southern Arizona.  Can anyone confirm this?

[Silas_Sancona]

  On 4/14/2020 at 5:27 PM, Jimbean said:

I read somewhere that those might be native to southern Arizona.  Can anyone confirm this?

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As far as i'm aware, none have been documented growing naturally in the state by any of the research botanists from the ASDM or other local researchers at the U of AZ ( Mark Dimmitt, Thomas Van Devender, Susan ( Sue ) Carnahan, David Bertelsen ) who have covered the flora of the state, ( southern AZ/ borderland flora esp. ) extensively.

That said, i wouldn't be shocked if past evidence of.. ( or actual specimens ) were located in the extremely remote mountains / canyon areas near the AZ/ NM/ Mexico border in the far S.E corner of the state. Which would be in-line w/ where they occur further south, across the border in Sonora. 

This same area, and adjacent parts of New Mexico, were once thought to harbor specimens of Erythrina Coralloides, Naked Coral Tree in the past as well.

[Jimbean]

  On 4/14/2020 at 6:17 PM, Silas_Sancona said:

As far as i'm aware, none have been documented growing naturally in the state by any of the research botanists from the ASDM or other local researchers at the U of AZ ( Mark Dimmitt, Thomas Van Devender, Susan ( Sue ) Carnahan, David Bertelsen ) who have covered the flora of the state, ( southern AZ/ borderland flora esp. ) extensively.

That said, i wouldn't be shocked if past evidence of.. ( or actual specimens ) were located in the extremely remote mountains / canyon areas near the AZ/ NM/ Mexico border in the far S.E corner of the state. Which would be in-line w/ where they occur further south, across the border in Sonora. 

This same area, and adjacent parts of New Mexico, were once thought to harbor specimens of Erythrina Coralloides, Naked Coral Tree in the past as well.

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Oddly enough, I remembered looking at google earth and tracing that particular ecosystem in NW Mexico to the NM/Arizona/Mexico border area, and searching there for palms.

[Silas_Sancona]

  On 4/14/2020 at 7:10 PM, Jimbean said:

Oddly enough, I remembered looking at google earth and tracing that particular ecosystem in NW Mexico to the NM/Arizona/Mexico border area, and searching there for palms.

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Have done the same thing a few time as well..  That area of the state/ overall region, is a very interesting corridor, especially when you cross the border into Mexico and head south toward where the Jaguar Reserve is located, roughly between/ south of Bavispe and along the Rios Aros.

 S. uresana are noted within the reserve area ( many pictures of them to view on the reserve's main web site also )  Been several recent expeditions / more extensive/ detailed study into previously overlooked / lightly studied mountainous areas in that part of Sonora near the border also that have turned up some interesting finds.  If there are any growing closer to Arizona, thats going to the best place to look / where currently undocumented specimens may occur, esp along any of the rivers / river valleys that extend north toward the state. Have heard that area may eventually become part of the reserve / part of a broader north/south migration corridor that is protected.

[Jimbean]

I also want to point out, and maybe you noticed the same thing, that in the case of both Arizona and Texas, that the border seemed to be drawn at the boundary of the tropics.

[Meangreen94z]

Things have quieted down, but maybe not quite enough to travel into Mexico regularly. Most of the problems are right along the border though. Otherwise I would probably take just as many road trips down their as I do the US southwest. Maybe once my kids are older.