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Queen Palms up in the HD of California?

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Yes sir! We have some Queens around town in the HD ( High Desert) believe or not. Some have been here several years too, but am not sure if any are pre 2007 or not? I only know of 1 pre 2007 one because it was planted at my friend's house in Victorville. I'm not sure how its doing as of now, its been about 2 or 3 years since I drove by it & it wasn't looking good. New owners are not watering & fertilizing enough. 

So are these on borrowed time or permanent residence?? 

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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The " Corona Coconut " of the HD! :floor:

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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Bonus picture, Phoenix Robellini in Hesperia!

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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First. Very nice pictures. Those queens look very good. How cold does it get in the high desert?

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Where are these located? Nice pics. Queens never fail to get admiration from those of us in cooler latitudes.

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10 hours ago, PlantDad said:

First. Very nice pictures. Those queens look very good. How cold does it get in the high desert?

usually low 20's every winter. We go below freezing majority of nights during winter. Last winter we got down to 22f two nights in a row + 2 or 3 nights around 25f.

2007 we got down to 13f :mellow: 

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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5 hours ago, sipalms said:

Where are these located? Nice pics. Queens never fail to get admiration from those of us in cooler latitudes.

Victorville & Hesperia, California. 

Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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Wow I'm guessing the desert makes all difference. I really want to grow queen palms here in Salem Oregon zone 8b. It rarely gets below 25 but we have wet winters

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3 hours ago, PlantDad said:

Wow I'm guessing the desert makes all difference. I really want to grow queen palms here in Salem Oregon zone 8b. It rarely gets below 25 but we have wet winters

We have wet winters here as well. We also have extremely high humidity on winter nights! We're talking 75-95%, No Bueno! But we have more sunny days being in the desert. Like you said, might make all the difference :greenthumb:

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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I have 4 mature Queens growing here, the tallest is about 15ft. Most are on their third Winter now. Each winter they will see about 45 mornings below zero, some of which will go down to as low as 22f/-5.5C. 

8am this morning, 24.6f / -4.1C:

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As you can see, it was only below zero for about 6hrs, and in the 'danger zone' for probably 1-2hrs. Like most dead flat terrains, our coldest time and the most brutal frost is just as the sun rises. so it can be -4 but sun shining on the leaves. Frosts here are usually very dry and this is likely another reason why damage is minimal, e.g. lemons, limes and even grapefruit grow outside fully exposed and unprotected in parts of the city away from the ocean.

My Queens always come out of winter with yellowing on the older or more exposed leaflets but most of this turns green again by Summer.

One of my newer ones was planted in September and is still settling in after a fair bit of damage in transit...

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@UK_Palms would be interesting to know of any big established Syagrus in areas of the UK that get freezing temps as your climate is kinda similar to here.

 

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sipalms I looked on Wunderground this morning and near airport was near -4C but rest of city was between a little and quite a bit milder. If that is typical there probably could be large Queens in every 10th backyard like there is here now, if they had been more readily available since 20 years ago.   

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2 hours ago, cbmnz said:

sipalms I looked on Wunderground this morning and near airport was near -4C but rest of city was between a little and quite a bit milder. If that is typical there probably could be large Queens in every 10th backyard like there is here now, if they had been more readily available since 20 years ago.   

It is very typical, I live near the airport but work on the outskirts of the CBD and the difference on a frosty morning can be huge. 

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@sipalms, It seems we have very similar winters, that's very interesting. It's not uncommon to have 10-12 hours below freezing in winter nights but similar to you only minimal hours in the "danger zone" around dawn. 

My 2 queens just past their first winter. A bit of yellowing & some burns to the older leaves. Nothing unexpected though.  There off to a great start this year! Hopefully they can get more established & pump off several more leaves in time before their 2nd round of winter.

Yours looks great! Much taller than mine. Here's to a mild winter for you & cheers! :greenthumb:

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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Thanks @James760 ! I'll try upload some more yard and palm pics in the morning.

Out of interest, how many fronds do yours push out each season? I have found that mine took about 2 full seasons before picking up speed. Last summer my fastest one pushed out about 3.5 new fronds but I have a feeling that it is still accelerating to it's cruising speed, as it has only just built up a full crown. Full crown = max photosynthesis = max growth! We do have mild summers here so not the most ideal climate. 

 

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@sipalms, this will be my first full year worth of growth but so far from new years 2 fronds on my fastest, 1.5 on my other. I'm anticipating 2-3 fronds through summer. Any more would be a delight! I also think its gonna take 2 full years until they step on the accelerator. 

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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Mine took forever to get going as I planted it in a stupid place where it got no sun for 8 months of the year. It nearly died in 2009 after  a week of frosts not seen since early 80's and not since. Was still looking like crap 12 months later in 2010. But since about 2017 has gone ballistic as got its head into the sun for most of the day, all year. Might have got 4 or even 5 fronds in the past year. 

2004. 2010, 2020

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@cbmnz, Your queen looks great! Really beefy! With its head in the sun & everything grown in it looks really protected on all sides. :greenthumb:

Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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@cbmnz, Your queen looks great! Really beefy! With its head in the sun & everything grown in it looks really protected on all sides. :greenthumb:

Thank you. It is now what I hoped it would become when planted it back in 2004 but sure took a long time.

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Here's my best looking queen

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Then my runt...

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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21 hours ago, James760 said:

Then my runt...

 

James, I must have a runt also!  Mine almost looks as good as your runt!  LOL!

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How much watering is needed to keep one healthy  there?

I have 6 gallons an hour set up on each & water for 1.5 hours twice a week. I think with my soil content it'll be sufficient enough to keep them happy & healthy but I hand water alot on top of my normal schedule :D

 

Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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LOL! you know, my dog Wednesday was a runt, but she sure surprised us! She turned out bigger than we thought. She's a beautiful, STRONG, solid "little" dog! 

Let's hope our runts turn out to be Wednesday's :floor:

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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5 hours ago, James760 said:

I have 6 gallons an hour set up on each & water for 1.5 hours twice a week. I think with my soil content it'll be sufficient enough to keep them happy & healthy but I hand water alot on top of my normal schedule :D

 

Guess they will need that throughout their life, as there is no water table for the roots to find even when they get established in your area.

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Both of us same growing zone. No queens around here unless you have someone like me who is open to experiment. I have saw on google maps while searching for palms, a few young queens, pygmy dates, and 1 bismarkia. The bismarkia and queens were in the same yard, the image was from 2013. There are only two people in my neighborhood that grow queens, me and someone else. Mine were planted after the other persons was, and mine have put out more spears. They dont take care of them. The queen killer here is the frost, and also the "humid" cold. After fronts pass we get strong north winds, after the winds pass we get some decent frosts. Everything gets covered. When i see anything below 28 degrees possible i get ready to cover them. I now have a pygmy date myself so winter should be a blast :)

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Palms - 1 Adonidia merillii, 1 Bismarckia nobilis, 2 Butia odorata, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 1 Chamaerops humilis, 1 Chambeyronia macrocarpa, 1 Hyophorbe lagenicaulis, 1 Hyophorbe verschaffeltii, 1 Livistona chinensis, 1 Livistona nitida, 1 Phoenix canariensis, 3 Phoenix roebelenii, 2 Ravenea rivularis, 1 Rhapis excelsa, 1 Sabal bermudana, 3 Sabal palmetto, 4 Syagrus romanzoffiana, 8 Trachycarpus fortunei, 4 Washingtonia robusta, 1 Wodyetia bifurcata
Total: 41

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There's a ton of people that try & grow Phoenix Robellini's out in the open around my area & get smoked everytime. Home Depot & Lowes sells them here as "indoor "/ patio plants & people put them straight in full sun right away to get torched! Then if they somehow make it through summer they get torched during winter! Happens everytime...

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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I took a trip to Lowes today and found flowering pygmy dates. I was surprised they would even carry palms that big! My pygmy date is a small 2.25 gallon, put straight into full sun as you mentioned and never got torched. It is in a decent location protected from north winds. The rose bushes that were put in next to it wilted every single day until about a week after planting. They are now thriving! The pygmy date is throwing some thicker spears now so they are putting on some decent growth! Btw this is a clump of 4.

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Palms - 1 Adonidia merillii, 1 Bismarckia nobilis, 2 Butia odorata, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 1 Chamaerops humilis, 1 Chambeyronia macrocarpa, 1 Hyophorbe lagenicaulis, 1 Hyophorbe verschaffeltii, 1 Livistona chinensis, 1 Livistona nitida, 1 Phoenix canariensis, 3 Phoenix roebelenii, 2 Ravenea rivularis, 1 Rhapis excelsa, 1 Sabal bermudana, 3 Sabal palmetto, 4 Syagrus romanzoffiana, 8 Trachycarpus fortunei, 4 Washingtonia robusta, 1 Wodyetia bifurcata
Total: 41

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Fall update on my 2 queens. They grew well this year, very please. I think next year their going to really take off though :D hopefully we all get a mild winter ;)

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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