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ID request. Could this be a fishtail palm?

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I was hoping it would be a foxtail palm because the stems look similar, but as its grown the fronds look more like a fishtail palm. It's been growing pretty rapidly.

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22 minutes ago, Matt in OC said:

Looks like a Veitchia?

It very well could be! It was growing under some foxtail and manila palms, so maybe a hybrid?

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No Mate. it is not a fishtail,

I am not good at telling what something is but I can tell you in this case what that is not.

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It is not dead, it is just senescence.

   

 

 

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2 minutes ago, gtsteve said:

No Mate. it is not a fishtail,

I am not good at telling what something is but I can tell you in this case what that is not.

Nice that's great to know. I was worried because it actually looks a lot like this clumping fishtail we have in our garden. The fishtail also has the black hairs on the stems and the palm in this post has the rugged ends on the fronds (well, some of them). I'm just really glad it's not a fishtail because I would've had to dig it up. It's been doing suuuuper well in its spot so I want to leave it be.

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Mate, just to clarify, when you say fishtail and clumping, I think Caryota mitis.

Your palm looks nothing like any Caryota that I have seen.

Are you sure that you have correctly identified the "clumping fishtail we have in our garden". Google 'fishtail palm'  'images'  and see what you reckon.

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It is not dead, it is just senescence.

   

 

 

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Just now, gtsteve said:

Mate, just to clarify, when you say fishtail and clumping, I think Caryota mitis.

Your palm looks nothing like any Caryota that I have seen.

Are you sure that you have correctly identified the "clumping fishtail we have in our garden". Google 'fishtail palm'  'images'  and see what you reckon.

Wow I guess I don't know the ID of more palms than I realized :blush: I'll take a pic tomorrow because it's dark out now. I wonder what else I'm wrong abut lol. 

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Veitchia joannis has tons of black speckling on its stem/petioles.

BTW, the Caryota genus, i.e., fishtail palms, are not pinnate like the palm in your photo. They are classified as "bipinnate".

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Here are pics of what I thought was for some reason was a clumping fishtail palm. I got it from my neighbor and it had the WORST case of mealy bugs I've ever seen. The root ball was almost snow white. This was months ago and it's put out a little bit of growth, but hardly any. It's still alive, though, which is something. I just transferred it yesterday because I preferred my oil palm in its spot. I'm actually wondering if this is maybe several of the same palm planted together instead of a clumping species. There was another one in this clump that my neighbor had cut in half and it was about the same size as the big one in the pictures. 

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34 minutes ago, PalmatierMeg said:

Veitchia joannis has tons of black speckling on its stem/petioles.

BTW, the Caryota genus, i.e., fishtail palms, are not pinnate like the palm in your photo. They are classified as "bipinnate".

Ooh veitchia joannis looks so pretty! I really hope that's what it is :) 

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28 minutes ago, PhilippineExpat said:

Here are pics of what I thought was for some reason was a clumping fishtail palm. I got it from my neighbor and it had the WORST case of mealy bugs I've ever seen. The root ball was almost snow white. This was months ago and it's put out a little bit of growth, but hardly any. It's still alive, though, which is something. I just transferred it yesterday because I preferred my oil palm in its spot. I'm actually wondering if this is maybe several of the same palm planted together instead of a clumping species. There was another one in this clump that my neighbor had cut in half and it was about the same size as the big one in the pictures. 

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This looks more like a foxtail to me with a smaller one next to it.  Foxtails have the ragged edge to the leaves similar to fishtails.  To illustrate Meg's statement I'm attaching a photo of my Caryota mitis seedlings below.  Notice how the leflets are not directly across from each other as they are in your palm.

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19 minutes ago, Fusca said:

This looks more like a foxtail to me with a smaller one next to it.  Foxtails have the ragged edge to the leaves similar to fishtails.  To illustrate Meg's statement I'm attaching a photo of my Caryota mitis seedlings below.  Notice how the leflets are not directly across from each other as they are in your palm.

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Wow it's definitely NOT a caryota mitis, then! Your pic shows me the differences are pretty obvious lol. I have no clue why I thought it was one.  I don't know if it's a foxtail either, though, because the fronds look so different. I have some foxtails in my garden without any trunk (as opposed to the one in the pic) and their fronds already look like the adult ones with a bottlebrush appearance. 

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On 8/23/2020 at 10:53 AM, akamu said:

Looks like a young Veitchia arecina.lots of these at our PSSC palm auctions. 

Wow I'm looking at pics of similar sized plants on palmpedia and I agree it could very well be that! I'm also wondering if it could be a dypsis madagascariensis. It really does look A LOT like the veitchia arecina, though...

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