Palm ID Punta Gorda

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

Noticed this one back when I was in Punta Gorda around Christmas.  Near the historic district. Forgot about the photo until today. Anyone know?

[kinzyjr]

The tall crownshaft palm looks like a Roystonea regia.

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

1 hour ago, kinzyjr said:

The tall crownshaft palm looks like a Roystonea regia.

Of course, lots of those around many naturalizing too. I mean the tall skinny almost Phoenix looking one

[RedRabbit]

Possibly Syagrus sancoma, but I'm not too sure on this one. 

[Steve the palmreader]

Cant tell with all the vines

[Eric in Orlando]

Phoenix hybrid

Now that I look closer, maybe a Syagrus

 

[Stevetoad]

might be acrocromia back there. looks like i see rings of spines

[RedRabbit]

Where exactly is the palm located? I’d like to take another look at it on Streetview. 

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

42 minutes ago, RedRabbit said:

Where exactly is the palm located? I’d like to take another look at it on Streetview. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@26.9314657,-82.0554195,3a,46.9y,191.12h,99.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV-sGr9b3qh5dAVsBsTRgNg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

here you go

[palmsOrl]

Could it possibly be a Bactris?  

It's funny, at first glance I was going to say Carpentaria acuminata but then I looked more closely at the fronds and ruled that out.

I agree that it is most likely Syagrus.

[Frond-friend42]

Pigafetta I say. But is it elata or filaris. I think, elata. 

[palmsOrl]

I could see that, based on the palm's appearance, but could Pigafetta (either species) survive for any length of time in Punta Gorda (as they are reputedly marginal in Miami)?

[RedRabbit]

5 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

https://www.google.com/maps/@26.9314657,-82.0554195,3a,46.9y,191.12h,99.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV-sGr9b3qh5dAVsBsTRgNg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

here you go

Thanks. I’m thinking it’s a malnourished Syagrus sancoma. The fronds really should be bushier, but otherwise it looks like S sancoma.

Edited August 25, 2020 by RedRabbit

[Frond-friend42]

Punta Gorda Belize?  You're right, it looks more like Syagrus sancona. haha

[Eric in Orlando]

Looking at the Streetview image, it appears to be a Phoenix...a nice, tall, slender hybrid Phoenix. Streetview photo is from May 2014.

[Eric in Orlando]

[palmsOrl]

Could it be a slightly malnourished pure P. rupricola?

[Frond-friend42]

Looks like that as well. Too bad the trunk is covered.

[RedRabbit]

On 8/25/2020 at 8:08 AM, Eric in Orlando said:

Looking at the Streetview image, it appears to be a Phoenix...a nice, tall, slender hybrid Phoenix. Streetview photo is from May 2014.

The fronds really do look like a Phoenix. I’m not familiar with any that tall with that slender of trunk, any guesses as to the parents? 

[palmsOrl]

Phoenix rupricola.

[RedRabbit]

17 minutes ago, palmsOrl said:

Phoenix rupricola.

I'd think that too, but it's way too tall. Maybe its rupricola x sylvestris.  Certainly a neat specimen! 

[palmsOrl]

RedRabbit, I think you are correct.  Knowing the Phoenix genus and looking at some photos of P. rupricola right after my last post, it doesn't look to be quite pure rupricola.  I agree, rupricola x sylvestris.

As a side note, Phoenix rupricola is my favorite species in the Phoenix genus.  The species has a more lush, soft, tropical look than the other members of the genus and it is indeed one of the least cold hardy (about as cold hardy as P. roebelenii?).  I would like to thank the European Palm Society for publishing this stunning image of the aforementioned species.  One could almost take the two palms in the photos for Cocos at first glance.

For many years I admired a mature P. rupricola specimen in someone's backyard under oak canopy just a stone's throw from where I grew up in Maitland.  I need to check and see if it is still there.

Lastly, I would shy away from planting Phoenix in South Florida, except for maybe roebelenii and rupricola.  They tend to look awful and generally do not perform that well.  Heck, I don't like way most of the Phoenix hybrids look here (in-fact, I just came to the realization that I am not a big fan of palm hybrids in general, with one notable exception).  I always look at the planted Phoenix hybrids here and think, "Can't we be more creative?  We have a large palette to choose from in metro Orlando now".

That said, I actually like the look of the palm this thread is about.  It looks like a rustic, old, sunbathed South Florida "tree", the trunk subtlety festooned with vines.

[Fusca]

It does look like some hybrid Phoenix with either rupicola or reclinata.  You don't often see single trunked reclinata, but this photo from Palmpedia looks a bit like a rupicola as well.  And they can get up to 50' tall.

[PalmatierMeg]

On 8/24/2020 at 11:27 PM, Frond-friend42 said:

Pigafetta I say. But is it elata or filaris. I think, elata. 

I'm not sure what it is but I know it's not pigafetta. Pigafetta is impossible here in Cape Coral. Punta Gorda is 20 miles north and significantly colder in winter.

I'm going to go with Acrocomia sp

[Frond-friend42]

42 minutes ago, PalmatierMeg said:

I'm not sure what it is but I know it's not pigafetta. Pigafetta is impossible here in Cape Coral. Punta Gorda is 20 miles north and significantly colder in winter.

I'm going to go with Acrocomia sp

I was so excited for it to beat everybody to the chase and have it be a pigafetta. Rookie mistake. Now, I'm in the Phoenix camp.

The reason I don't think its acrocomia is the pic of acrocomias I can find have looser, more plumose leaflets. Those leaflets above look stiff and straight like a phoenix, to me.

[PalmatierMeg]

3 minutes ago, Frond-friend42 said:

I was so excited for it to beat everybody to the chase and have it be a pigafetta. Rookie mistake. Now, I'm in the Phoenix camp.

The reason I don't think its acrocomia is the pic of acrocomias I can find have looser, more plumose leaflets. Those leaflets above look stiff and straight like a phoenix, to me.

I think you are right. Its solitary tall aspect struck me as Acrocomia.