ID help

[Goose]

Can anyone identify the tall palm in these pics? I’ve heard a few names from friends but none of them seem right. It has a massive canopy. A palm collector in miami has it as the main attraction in his front yard. I wish I could see the backyard lol

Also, it looks like this young one I saw at Fairchild. Think they’re the same type of palm? If not which is the Fairchild one? 
Thanks for the help!

[Xenon]

Corypha umbraculifera (both of them)

I think I see a nice Tahina to the left of the big Corypha too, must be a super serious collector and probably someone on here haha 

Welcome to palmtalk!

Edited September 12, 2020 by Xenon

[Goose]

10 minutes ago, Xenon said:

Corypha umbraculifera (both of them)

I think I see a nice Tahina to the left of the big Corypha too, must be a super serious collector and probably someone on here haha 

Welcome to palmtalk!

Thank you! Happy to be here lol. And yes, from what I’ve learned he was a super serious collector when he was younger. 

[Goose]

On 9/12/2020 at 3:46 AM, Xenon said:

Corypha umbraculifera (both of them)

I think I see a nice Tahina to the left of the big Corypha too, must be a super serious collector and probably someone on here haha 

Welcome to palmtalk!

@Xenon How do you know it isn’t a Corypha Taliera or a different type of Corypha? I’m curious to know how to tell the difference because I read that they are difficult to distinguish. 

[Frond-friend42]

I was going to say latania but no, corypha is right I think. I'm not sure to differentiate umbraculifera from taliera, however.

[Xenon]

1 hour ago, Goose said:

@Xenon How do you know it isn’t a Corypha Taliera or a different type of Corypha? I’m curious to know how to tell the difference because I read that they are difficult to distinguish. 

The palm you posted at Fairchild is a perfect match for the image results of Corypha taliera so I guess it must be C. taliera! I had never really considered it because C. taliera is extinct in the wild and there may be literally a handful of specimens in the entire world unless there was a flowering event recently. But if there's something ultra-rare, you can probably find it between Fairchild and Montgomery Botanical Center.  Outwardly, C. taliera looks very similar to C. umbraculifera to my eyes...maybe the difference is in the finer details like the structure of the inflorescence, fruit, etc.  When comparing the other two common species, C. lecomtei and C. utan,  C. utan has more deeply cut leaflets with more pointed ends and yellow tinged petioles vs. the more blunt leaflets and lime green petioles of C. umbraculifera and C. lecomtei also has finer leaflets, longer petioles, and is a smaller palm vs C. umbraculifera. But to my eyes, C. umbraculifera is readily distinguishable from the 2 others upon first glance because in total it's just a more "heavy" looking palm. 

Edited September 21, 2020 by Xenon

[Valhallalla]

I may not be able to determine the species but I can always tell a Corypha when I see one. In this case my wife spotted this one as we were driving through the Redland near Homestead a month ago. We stopped to admire it from afar and get a few photos. Looked like there were some other goodies in there too.

[Goose]

On 9/23/2020 at 7:00 AM, Valhallalla said:

I may not be able to determine the species but I can always tell a Corypha when I see one. In this case my wife spotted this one as we were driving through the Redland near Homestead a month ago. We stopped to admire it from afar and get a few photos. Looked like there were some other goodies in there too.

Amazing! Do you by any chance remember the location more specifically? I’d love to drive by and see it in person. 

[Goose]

On 9/21/2020 at 1:16 AM, Xenon said:

The palm you posted at Fairchild is a perfect match for the image results of Corypha taliera so I guess it must be C. taliera! I had never really considered it because C. taliera is extinct in the wild and there may be literally a handful of specimens in the entire world unless there was a flowering event recently. But if there's something ultra-rare, you can probably find it between Fairchild and Montgomery Botanical Center.  Outwardly, C. taliera looks very similar to C. umbraculifera to my eyes...maybe the difference is in the finer details like the structure of the inflorescence, fruit, etc.  When comparing the other two common species, C. lecomtei and C. utan,  C. utan has more deeply cut leaflets with more pointed ends and yellow tinged petioles vs. the more blunt leaflets and lime green petioles of C. umbraculifera and C. lecomtei also has finer leaflets, longer petioles, and is a smaller palm vs C. umbraculifera. But to my eyes, C. umbraculifera is readily distinguishable from the 2 others upon first glance because in total it's just a more "heavy" looking palm. 

Can’t wait to go back to Fairchild to take a closer look. Thank you so much for the detailed response. It certainly cleared things up for me. Based on all the pictures I looked at I definitely agree that C. Umbrulucifera seems heavier. Coincidentally Richard Lyons nursery in south Florida claims to be selling some very young umbruluciferas. They just refer to it as talipot and the guy working there couldn’t give me the Latin name. I bought one so I’ll post a picture of it. Should be interesting to see if it’s even possible to distinguish from the others. I think many people just refer to several of the Coryphas as talipot which adds to the confusion