CA grown Copernicia Pics Please

[Briank]

I have struggled to purchase or try to grow any Copernicia in my Landscape. 
 

The only ones I have seen grown well are in the Desert of CA.   I live 4.5 miles from Pacific Beach.  
 

Of the other Copernicia Palms I’ve seen in Gardens in So cal are Further East or Further North.   And some of those Were grown Elsewhere and Planted much larger from Beginning.  
 

Because they are so slow and the only 1 I have planted is and Alba that was about 3-5ga Size.   Generally the most common ones growers here sell are Prunifera and Alba. 
 

I love these palms as I scroll through Palmpedia or the Web, but I can’t get myself to try And grow one.   
 

Im asking if People on here have grown any from Seedling size or 5ga size in their garden that is now looking very good.  I know it won’t be like what we would see in Florida, Cuba or even Palm Desert but curious to any pics. 
 

can be any Copernicia I.e Fallense, Alba, Macgroglossa(not much of a fan of these) Hospita etc.  

 

Im located about 5 min East of Sea World, about 2 min from Palm Legend Wrights Place for Reference.   I get heat, but never above 87 degrees in middle of summers And have Clay soil.  
 

 

 

Thanks in Advance. 
 

brian 

[Stevetoad]

I  have Macroglossa, Alba, prunifera and bailyana. All are easy to grow. Baily and Macro are very slow for me but steady. I know that  there are plenty of bigger ones in here. Hopefully Josh-O, Mattyb and Len will post some pics.  save some time and drop the bucks for the biggest you can find. 

[Sabal Steve]

I’ve posted this before, but here’s my macroglossa after about five years, planted from a three gallon.  Your climate is pretty similar to mine.

[Briank]

5 hours ago, The Steve said:

I’ve posted this before, but here’s my macroglossa after about five years, planted from a three gallon.  Your climate is pretty similar to mine.

Yeah remember seeing that Palm.  Just doesn’t do it for me.  At all.   I’ve seen joshs that are of good size.   Just doesn’t look like a palm tree to me lol.   Everyone got different taste.  We have pretty much the same climate your correct.   
 

Contemplating a Fallense type in my yard.   Have the Alba up front w maybe 3 Fronds on it.  

[Tracy]

Copernicia x textilis (baileyana x hospita).  The first picture is when I planted it, I think this one was in a squat 10 gallon, while the other one in my backyard was larger.  Planted shortly before the phot on 12/3/2015, with the updated photo about 2 months shy of 5 years later (9/30/2020).  So while my plant was not a seedling, it does show what growth you can expect if you can find one that is a little bigger to start with.  As far as climate goes, lots of marine layer on the coast, so not the heat in my yard of areas even a couple of miles from the ocean.

[Briank]

18 minutes ago, Tracy said:

Copernicia x textilis (baileyana x hospita).  The first picture is when I planted it, I think this one was in a squat 10 gallon, while the other one in my backyard was larger.  Planted shortly before the phot on 12/3/2015, with the updated photo about 2 months shy of 5 years later (9/30/2020).  So while my plant was not a seedling, it does show what growth you can expect if you can find one that is a little bigger to start with.  As far as climate goes, lots of marine layer on the coast, so not the heat in my yard of areas even a couple of miles from the ocean.

Interesting Hybrid.   Havnt seen that one for sale anywhere.   Looks like it slightly more than doubled in 5 yrs.   good spot for it.  

[sonoranfans]

That texillis looks great!  Its a happy palm for sure.  I am wondering about its final size.  If its nearly as big as a baileyana, its gonna get tight just after trunking as the leaves go to full size.  My bailey sat there for years with ~30" leaves from stem end to tip of leaf, then after the start of trunking they started to get bigger.  they now measure 54"+ from end of stem to end of leaf.  

[kylecawazafla]

Copernicia fallaensis in Vista, CA

 

Copernicia macroglossa in Vista, CA

 

[kylecawazafla]

Copernicia baileyana in Vista, CA

 

Copernicia baileyana in Palm Desert, CA

 

 

[kylecawazafla]

Copernicia baileyana in San Diego, CA

Copernicia hospita in Palm Desert, CA

 

[Tracy]

26 minutes ago, sonoranfans said:

If its nearly as big as a baileyana, its gonna get tight just after trunking as the leaves go to full size.  My bailey sat there for years with ~30" leaves from stem end to tip of leaf, then after the start of trunking they started to get bigger.  they now measure 54"+ from end of stem to end of leaf.  

I'm hoping it is somewhere between a baileyana and hospita in size, but one never knows with hybrids.  If it does get big, my guests will just have to park further to the other side of that parking area.  Fortunately, my wife and I use the back driveway and garage, so almost never park out front.

 

2 minutes ago, kylecawazafla said:

Copernicia baileyana in Vista, CA

  I don't think any of Josh's were grown from small sizes in California, he acquired all those close to the sizes you have posted.

[Tracy]

On 9/28/2020 at 2:43 PM, Briank said:

I have struggled to purchase or try to grow any Copernicia in my Landscape. 

You should also consider the other palmate genus from Copernicia's region which is Coccothrinax.  I waited a long time before growing them because I had been told that they wouldn't do well on the coast (kind of like hearing that Dypsis decipiens, Bismarckia nobilis and others would be slow as molasses close to the beach).  After watching the others thrive, as well as a couple of other Cuban palms, I thought why not try Coccothrinax as well.  Since your focus is on specimens planted out small I'll share the two 1 gallon's that have thrived for me since planting.  First 2 photos of a Coccothrinax argentata, second 2 photos of a Coccothrinax "no ID" which I have been told is likely a C miraguama.  These won't be the statement plants that a Copernicia would be, but they are nice complementary palm with other larger species which you can definitely grow in your microclimate.

[Briank]

10 minutes ago, Tracy said:

You should also consider the other palmate genus from Copernicia's region which is Coccothrinax.  I waited a long time before growing them because I had been told that they wouldn't do well on the coast (kind of like hearing that Dypsis decipiens, Bismarckia nobilis and others would be slow as molasses close to the beach).  After watching the others thrive, as well as a couple of other Cuban palms, I thought why not try Coccothrinax as well.  Since your focus is on specimens planted out small I'll share the two 1 gallon's that have thrived for me since planting.  First 2 photos of a Coccothrinax argentata, second 2 photos of a Coccothrinax "no ID" which I have been told is likely a C miraguama.  These won't be the statement plants that a Copernicia would be, but they are nice complementary palm with other larger species which you can definitely grow in your microclimate.

I love Mariguama,  but I really love the Azul type the most.   One day I’ll plant one of those.  They are just painfully slow. 
 

I have Trithrinax Acanthocoma growing well in back yard. 
 

And you were correct josh planted rather large Copernicia to start.  But he has a Small Fallense I’m considering. 
 

 

I’m truly out of Hot Sun Spot in front yard.  It’s a jungle now.   So these Sun lovers will have to go in back yard but just don’t have good Spots right now.    
 

 

I have been focusing on back yard w more Pritchardia collection lately but you never know a Spot might open somewhere sunny and be nice to have a Copernicia ready to go. 
 

 

I’ll eventually find a good size one hopefully to grab.   My Bizzys have grown at great speed but think that’s cause I’m just far enough from the beach that they grow faster. 

[Tracy]

4 minutes ago, Briank said:

My Bizzys have grown at great speed but think that’s cause I’m just far enough from the beach that they grow faster. 

Actually Bismarckia's do fine along the coast, which was my point.  There are plenty of inaccurate assumptions, so sometimes you just have to try something and see how it does.  The one below in my Carlsbad rental has been flowering for a few years now, and this photo was last spring, so I know it's bigger now.

[Briank]

34 minutes ago, Tracy said:

Actually Bismarckia's do fine along the coast, which was my point.  There are plenty of inaccurate assumptions, so sometimes you just have to try something and see how it does.  The one below in my Carlsbad rental has been flowering for a few years now, and this photo was last spring, so I know it's bigger now.

Nice.   So you have 2 places along coast that have great looking palms !  I want and need to buy another place to fill my Palm Addiction, something that has plenty of room.  Even if it’s north or east county I don’t need to have Dypsis growing everywhere.   I actually am the other way,  love tropical but I would like thec challenge of growing a large garden in More Heat sun.  I think I only have 2 Dypsis growing in my garden.  
 

I love larger robust palms.  Brahea Livistona Hybrids, even if they slow growing fan palms I think layering them looks great. 
 

maybe find something in Valley Center/Fallbrook or Jamul to get couple acres.   I just see a driveway lined w Mule Palms,  Jubea x Butia hahaha.   

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

Ive seen Copernicia in AZ so I would assume in coastal CA they are uncommon but noticeable

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Mr.SamuraiSword

[freakypalmguy]

I’m inland a bit in Temecula and have had good luck with alba and pruinifera

[JubaeaMan138]

Here’s Copernicia gigas growing here in riverside . Seed collected in Cuba  by @aztropic.

[JubaeaMan138]

Here is a small bailey . Finally coming back from rabbit attack . I have to keep everything caged right now 

[JubaeaMan138]

Berteroana courtesy of @NatureGirl couple years ago when she was selling Bert seedlings

[JubaeaMan138]

Copernicia macroglossa 

[JubaeaMan138]

Had to throw this one In . Coccothrinax crinita 

[JubaeaMan138]

Copernicia alba . 

[JubaeaMan138]

Copernicia Baileyana 

[JubaeaMan138]

Small gigas collected by @PalmatierMeg

[JubaeaMan138]

On deck to be planted 15 gallon fallaensis 

[JubaeaMan138]

And another fallaensis 

[JubaeaMan138]

Rigida 

[JubaeaMan138]

Oodles of baileys for sale for future and planting . May field plant some of these eventually 

[JubaeaMan138]

Curtisii 

[JubaeaMan138]

Tons of yarays with some ZombiA in there 

[JubaeaMan138]

Coccothrinax borhidiana hybrid exploding after rabbit attack

[JubaeaMan138]

My recommendations . If you live inland and not along the coast plant a copernicia !! You won’t be disappointed. Finally something the OC  collectors can’t compete with 

[aztropic]

Not California,but still a nice bailey I grew from seed I collected in Cuba. Planted in summer 2014,it is now in a 15 gallon pot but needs to be planted soon as roots are escaping! 7 growing seasons now under its belt just to get to this size in my much hotter climate, can explain why larger copernicia specimens are rather expensive compared to other faster growing species.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[aztropic]

My 5 gallon Copernicia fallaensis has been even slower. Talk about an exercise in patience! 

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[JubaeaMan138]

Seems as though one they get a little bit of size I would put them close to bismarkia speed for me once they start holding more than one spear it’s on!!!

[Briank]

4 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

Copernicia alba . 

This is the only one I have in ground.  About same size but mine only has 3-4 fronds.   

[Briank]

4 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

And another fallaensis 

Where did you get the Fallense? Josh has some not sure what size but I’m keeping my eyes out.  Tempted on this one.  

[Briank]

4 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

My recommendations . If you live inland and not along the coast plant a copernicia !! You won’t be disappointed. Finally something the OC  collectors can’t compete with 

I’m right on the line ! I live 4.5 miles off of the beach.  On top of the hill from Mission Bay.    It will grow.   I just hate how slow it is, and I’m running out of Hot places to plant.  Front yard is no go it’s a jungle.  
 

 

backyard has a Few Spots left. 

[Briank]

4 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

Copernicia Baileyana 

From this look, you look like your in Riverside area maybe off Van Buren 215 then head west ? Or Alessandro? Wood crest area?