Medjool date palm or Canary Island date palm zone 7b/8a

[climate change virginia]

Hi I was wondering should I plant a Medjool date palm or a Canary Island date palm in zone 7b/8a. I don't know if I made this same forum but if I did please tell me and post on the other one. Thank you

[Chester B]

Neither they will both die.  Too cold and too wet in winter.  I'm in zone 8B/9A and I can't grow either one.

[climate change virginia]

26 minutes ago, Chester B said:

Neither they will both die.  Too cold and too wet in winter.  I'm in zone 8B/9A and I can't grow either one.

oh sorry I meant bring them in the garage and put them under a grow light during the winter i forgot to include that

[Chester B]

Both.

Medjool Date palm  If you like dates you can get all the seeds you want and you'll get more than 90% germination rate.

When I lived in an area too cold for palms I had a Canary that did quite well as a house plant during the winter.  It was starting to get too big to bring inside they grow fairly steadily.  

[DAVEinMB]

@climate change virginia you may get better info in the "palms in pots" section. Zones don't matter if you aren't planning on over wintering your plants in the ground. 

[climate change virginia]

19 minutes ago, DAVEinMB said:

@climate change virginia you may get better info in the "palms in pots" section. Zones don't matter if you aren't planning on over wintering your plants in the ground. 

Ok will do

[Teegurr]

1 hour ago, Chester B said:

Neither they will both die.  Too cold and too wet in winter.  I'm in zone 8B/9A and I can't grow either one.

Are you sure you can't grow them? You must be in a cooler area then? There are successful canaries in my zone (8b/9a).

[Chester B]

2 hours ago, Teegurr said:

Are you sure you can't grow them? You must be in a cooler area then? There are successful canaries in my zone (8b/9a).

100% positive,  it's too damp in the winter.  The only areas that can grow CIDP in Oregon are in zone 9B.  Gold beach, OR are recognized as the most northern CIDP in the western hemisphere.

[Jhonny]

Someone in Virginia Beach has 3 CIDP growing in their from yard. I wonder if they are still there. 

[LivistonaFan]

3 hours ago, Jhonny said:

Someone in Virginia Beach has 3 CIDP growing in their from yard. I wonder if they are still there. 

To me, they look more like Phoenix sylvestris which are even less cold-hardy.

 

On 11/4/2020 at 10:09 PM, Chester B said:

100% positive,  it's too damp in the winter.  The only areas that can grow CIDP in Oregon are in zone 9B.  Gold beach, OR are recognized as the most northern CIDP in the western hemisphere.

As the most northern point of Gold Beach is at 42.4°N, I doubt this statement is true for the whole western hemisphere (which is west of the prime meridian in Greenwich, UK). The whole northern coast of Spain is in the western hemisphere and north of Gold Beach.  There are literally thousands of CIDP. In A Coruña @ 43.3°N there are even towering Howea forsteriana which are some decades old. More northern CIDP can be found in Britanny, France. For example in Quimper @48°N there are many, some might be more than a century old. Even more northern in the Southwest of the UK @ 49.9°N+ quite a few can be seen. In Cork, Ireland @51.9°N (that's a little over 1000 km/620 mi north of Gold Beach and 270 km/160 mi north of Vancouver) there was a CIDP which got a little over 100 years old . The areas I mentioned are all relatively safe to grow Phoenix Canariensis temperature-wise and all are in the western hemisphere. 

Sorry for sounding that nit-picking, you may just have forgotten that some parts of Europe are in the western hemisphere as well.

Edited January 9, 2021 by LivistonaFan

[DAVEinMB]

5 hours ago, Jhonny said:

Someone in Virginia Beach has 3 CIDP growing in their from yard. I wonder if they are still there. 

This dude is ambitious. 

And yea, sylvestris or some hybrid of sylvestris. They are small enough to fully protect so he may get to enjoy them for awhile

[EastCanadaTropicals]

On 11/4/2020 at 4:09 PM, Chester B said:

100% positive,  it's too damp in the winter.  The only areas that can grow CIDP in Oregon are in zone 9B.  Gold beach, OR are recognized as the most northern CIDP in the western hemisphere.

Why aren't there Cidp in bandon it's also zone 9b.

Edited January 9, 2021 by EastCanadaTropicals

[Chester B]

4 hours ago, EastCanadaTropicals said:

Why aren't there Cidp in bandon it's also zone 9b.

It’s right on the edge so it must be that little bit colder or rainier. Growing zone maps are a man made guideline not law, the plants will tell you what is capable. 

[EastCanadaTropicals]

Just now, Chester B said:

It’s right on the edge so it must be that little bit colder or rainier. Growing zone maps are a man made guideline not law, the plants will tell you what is capable. 

Still can work.

[Chester B]

It might. There could be some there it’s not like you can see in everyone’s yard. I can say that I have not seen any big ones there but it doesn’t mean people aren’t trying. 

[PalmTreeDude]

20 minutes ago, Chester B said:

It’s right on the edge so it must be that little bit colder or rainier. Growing zone maps are a man made guideline not law, the plants will tell you what is capable. 

Exactly, Washingtonia robusta shouldn’t be growing in Dallas, Texas which the USDA map has labeled as 8a, but they still do thanks to other factors. Same with the ones in Columbia S.C.

[Love them palms]

1 hour ago, Chester B said:

It might. There could be some there it’s not like you can see in everyone’s yard. I can say that I have not seen any big ones there but it doesn’t mean people aren’t trying. 

BAM - Here's my CIDP in my back yard facing south next to the house in Mukilteo wa Z8B. Got the Idea off a Banana Joe youtube video.

[teaksmith]

On 11/4/2020 at 7:45 AM, climate change virginia said:

Hi I was wondering should I plant a Medjool date palm or a Canary Island date palm in zone 7b/8a. I don't know if I made this same forum but if I did please tell me and post on the other one. Thank you

There are several CIDPs in my zone 8A neighborhood in MS, including one that I know has seen lows of 12F and many short-duration mid-teens events in the past 15-20 years since it was planted. 

There's also a pretty massive one at the end of my street in the south facing front yard of the house there. I will try to get a pic of it next time I walk down there. 

I'm planning to plant a CIDP and a Canary X Reclinata here as soon as winter is over. 

[Enar]

I’m not sure exactly what type of date palm I have but it’s not less than 6 months old and it survived outside at 27F for two days in a row (just planted it) zone 8a very humid climate south AL. 

[Arecaceus]

For anyone trying to grow outdoors I'd say as a rule of thumb P. canariensis in wetter climates and P. dactylifera 'Medjool' in drier climates but only 8a and up maybe. But there are so many other factors like strentgh of the individual plant, microclimate and general winter conditions. You can grow a P. canariensis in a dry 8a climate especially when 8a temperatures are rare and cold spells are short and/or daytime warm ups are high. Some can't even grow either in 9a. I had two failures with P. canariensis I'm currently on my third attempt and as we had a bad winter it looks like the first hope of succsess more long term. P. theophrastii is also a pretty cold hardy alternative. I might try a dactylifera in a good corner as well but not yet decided. You always have to try for yourself (with some common sense of course).