Sabal 'lisa'

[ahosey01]

Maybe I suck at using this forum - but I searched for this palm and couldn't find jack.  Anybody got any info they'd like to share?  Any photos of one growing?  Any experience growing them in a dry climate or hardiness reports?

I have a few more spaces for palms in my garden and have a few ideas of what to plant.  Think this might be one of them.

Would be great any info anyone has to share.

[Silas_Sancona]

6 minutes ago, ahosey01 said:

Maybe I suck at using this forum - but I searched for this palm and couldn't find jack.  Anybody got any info they'd like to share?  Any photos of one growing?  Any experience growing them in a dry climate or hardiness reports?

I have a few more spaces for palms in my garden and have a few ideas of what to plant.  Think this might be one of them.

Would be great any info anyone has to share.

My biggest has done fine in a pot here ( Kept in shifting sun.. Don't trust it in anything more, esp. during the summer ).. Com Pot of seedlings as well. Still a few years to know if they're the real deal, with the exception of three older seedlings i have as well. 

( ** Kind of an update to a update over in the Lisa thread in the general discussion section i guess** ) leaves on 2 others have started splitting, so, guess all 3 are not " Lisoids,"  Booo!,  lol.  Keeping then anyway..

 For as tropical as they look, Tolerate quite a bit of cold and shouldn't have issues w/ your winter lows out there. Would definitely be among the most unusual palms you could grow.  **Be warned though, You'll likely want more, if you come across any.

[Swolte]

There's some great pics in this post: 

Very likely that young ones may not turn out to be "Lisoids" (had the same experience as Silas). I don't know if there's enough reliable data on whether they would be more or less hardier. In terms of hardiness/drought resilience, I'd treat them like the palmetto variety they were derived from. 

[Silas_Sancona]

2 minutes ago, Swolte said:

There's some great pics in this post: 

Very likely that young ones may not turn out to be "Lisoids" (had the same experience as Silas). I don't know if there's enough reliable data on whether they would be more or less hardier. In terms of hardiness/drought resilience, I'd treat them like the palmetto variety they were derived from. 

They're pretty tough, trust me, lol.. Anything that puts up with our constant 112-118F heat, and accidentally letting them dry out a bit too long  -at the same time-  stuck in containers.. is nearly bullet proof ( again though, none sit in full all day sun though ).. 

Was considering either giving away or planting out the oldest 3 seedlings that now appear to be regular ol' Palmetto  but, considering how close the Lisa i'd collected off that year ( at Kopsick ) sits to the park's giant Sabal causiarum  near by, want to let them develop a little more ( maybe they'll be something -else- interesting. Wishful thinking perhaps?  ) Anyway,..  Hoping at least some of the other seedlings will turn out to be the real deal once finally separated next year.

[PalmatierMeg]

The Sabal Lisa below, photographed in the wild in 2008, is the mother of most of the seeds and seedlings I sent out over the years. It is also my avatar.

Sabal palmetto Lisa, Ft. Myers, 2008

[Alex High]

2 minutes ago, PalmatierMeg said:

The Sabal Lisa below, photographed in the wild in 2008, is the mother of most of the seeds and seedlings I sent out over the years. It is also my avatar.

Sabal palmetto Lisa, Ft. Myers, 2008

Thanks for sharing! I have read about this palm before and it is so interesting! I wonder how its cold hardiness and growth rate compare to that of regular Sabal palmetto. Thanks PalmatierMeg!

PalmsUSA

[PalmatierMeg]

I expect it would be comparably hardy, perhaps a bit leaf hardier. Those "pleated" leaves feel like plastic.

[Matt N- Dallas]

I can’t vouch for its cold hardiness compared to palmetto, but in the seedling stage is much slower growing than regular-leaf form palmetto.  I’ve grown out several batches of seed and approximately 10%-15% have turned out with the ‘Lisa’ leaf form.  

[ahosey01]

1 hour ago, PalmatierMeg said:

The Sabal Lisa below, photographed in the wild in 2008, is the mother of most of the seeds and seedlings I sent out over the years. It is also my avatar.

Sabal palmetto Lisa, Ft. Myers, 2008

Have you ever seen any with a trunk available in any nurseries near you?

I just drove 12 hours for an Agathis robusta. Been known to make a pilgrimage for a plant I want.

[Matt N- Dallas]

I’ve never seen any at all available in TX before.  I’ve seen a few large potted Lisa’s in FL, but not trunking ones, though they’re probably available somewhere in FL.  

[PalmatierMeg]

4 minutes ago, Matt N- Dallas said:

I’ve never seen any at all available in TX before.  I’ve seen a few large potted Lisa’s in FL, but not trunking ones, though they’re probably available somewhere in FL.  

They were originally discovered near where I live in SWFL and described ~2006, named after the discoverer's wife. They haven't been grown commercially as far as I know so are rare and hard to come by.

[Silas_Sancona]

13 minutes ago, Matt N- Dallas said:

I’ve never seen any at all available in TX before.  I’ve seen a few large potted Lisa’s in FL, but not trunking ones, though they’re probably available somewhere in FL.  

 

6 minutes ago, PalmatierMeg said:

They were originally discovered near where I live in SWFL and described ~2006, named after the discoverer's wife. They haven't been grown commercially as far as I know so are rare and hard to come by.

Agree.. Have seen a few larger specimens.. none w/ any trunk though, all in FL.. Most found for sale will be smaller ( Bands to maybe 5 gal - Unless someone is hiding bigger specimens out there- ). Pretty steady grower ( in the ground ), so won't take long to get to trunking size from something smaller.

[Chester B]

3 hours ago, Matt N- Dallas said:

I can’t vouch for its cold hardiness compared to palmetto, but in the seedling stage is much slower growing than regular-leaf form palmetto.  I’ve grown out several batches of seed and approximately 10%-15% have turned out with the ‘Lisa’ leaf form.  

100% agree. So much smaller, narrower fronds than the regular palmetto I have.  Very, very slow growing.

Mine came from Meg.

[Alex High]

3 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

I expect it would be comparably hardy, perhaps a bit leaf hardier. Those "pleated" leaves feel like plastic.

Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks!

[buffy]

Painfully slow. 

[Brad Mondel]

My 5 year old Lisa's are weathering their first zone 8a winter right now...let's see if they make it.

[Dartolution]

I love sabals. Probably my favorite genus on the planet. 

But Sabal lisa is the fugliest MF of them all IMO. LOL Looks like she got a virus. 

Just my opinion though. You do you.

 

[Silas_Sancona]

10 minutes ago, Dartolution said:

I love sabals. Probably my favorite genus on the planet. 

But Sabal lisa is the fugliest MF of them all IMO. LOL Looks like she got a virus. 

Just my opinion though. You do you.

 

Uh oh!

[ahosey01]

54 minutes ago, Dartolution said:

I love sabals. Probably my favorite genus on the planet. 

But Sabal lisa is the fugliest MF of them all IMO. LOL Looks like she got a virus. 

Just my opinion though. You do you.

 

I’m dying!! LOL.

I got Boojum trees in my yard.  The line between beauty and ugly with my plants has already been blurred...

[Fallen Munk]

1 hour ago, Dartolution said:

But Sabal lisa is the fugliest MF of them all IMO. LOL Looks like she got a virus. 

I like palms....

[Brad Mondel]

Lisa is designer, not everyone gets her style. 

[Dartolution]

@Brad Mondel clearly I do not. 

She can keep her couture as far as I am concerned... 

[PalmatierMeg]

Ever heard the saying, "So ugly she's cute?" To each his own. Even ugly palms need love. They are a mesmerizing palm seen in person.

[DAVEinMB]

So uhh... anybody got any of these ugly ducklings for sale? Like a shippable size 

[climate change virginia]

I don't understand why you people hate the look of these fronds IMVHO these are the prettiest palmettos

[ahosey01]

1 minute ago, climate change virginia said:

I don't understand why you people hate the look of these fronds IMVHO these are the prettiest palmettos

I’m in the same boat as you.  The way I look at it... It’s visually as close as you can get to the simple-leaf palms (i.e. Licuala or Marojejya) you can only grow in the tropics for people growing them in the subtropics or the desert.

[Silas_Sancona]

32 minutes ago, ahosey01 said:

I’m in the same boat as you.  The way I look at it... It’s visually as close as you can get to the simple-leaf palms (i.e. Licuala or Marojejya) you can only grow in the tropics for people growing them in the subtropics or the desert.

Preach it!

The " Foxy Lady " for those w/out many Foxy Lady options ( Cue the Hendrix ).. 







 The thirst is real...< Cue the Joey Santore / Crime Pays, but Botany doesn't  trademark Cat Call > She's a looker      

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[climate change virginia]

11 minutes ago, Silas_Sancona said:

The thirst is real...< Cue the Joey Santore / Crime Pays, but Botany doesn't  trademark Cat Call > She's a looker      

ok chill out

[Silas_Sancona]

1 minute ago, climate change virginia said:

ok chill out

Laugh a little, even better

[ahosey01]

50 minutes ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Preach it!

The " Foxy Lady " for those w/out many Foxy Lady options ( Cue the Hendrix ).. 







 The thirst is real...< Cue the Joey Santore / Crime Pays, but Botany doesn't  trademark Cat Call > She's a looker      

Where is this particular palm?  Did you take these photos?

[Silas_Sancona]

22 minutes ago, ahosey01 said:

Where is this particular palm?  Did you take these photos?

Yes, my own Pics.. Taken back in the summer of 2014 when i lived across the Skyway, in Bradenton. One of two specimens ( maybe more by now? ) at Gizella Kopsick Palm Arboretum, St. Pete, FL.

** Is also where seedlings/ potential Lisas i'm growing came from**   Bigger one i have i bought from a fellow Palm talker in Sarasota.

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[PalmatierMeg]

April 2019: The last photo of my mother Sabal Lisa before she collapsed from a palm weevil infestation after she must have suffered damage in Hurricane Irma in Sept. 2017 - makes me want to cry just looking at it. I saved what I could of her 2nd and final crop of seeds. She never flowered again so I knew something must be terribly wrong but I hoped she might recover. I was gifted her as a seedling in a small cone by a generous local PTer in 2008.

[ahosey01]

2 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

April 2019: The last photo of my mother Sabal Lisa before she collapsed from a palm weevil infestation after she must have suffered damage in Hurricane Irma in Sept. 2017 - makes me want to cry just looking at it. I saved what I could of her 2nd and final crop of seeds. She never flowered again so I knew something must be terribly wrong but I hoped she might recover. I was gifted her as a seedling in a small cone by a generous local PTer in 2008.

Is that Copernicia macroglossa to the left?

Siiiiiiick foliage in that section of your garden.

[Brad Mondel]

Surviving 20F hard frosts is zone 8a. in

[PalmatierMeg]

1 hour ago, ahosey01 said:

Is that Copernicia macroglossa to the left?

Siiiiiiick foliage in that section of your garden.

Yes.

[PalmatierMeg]

56 minutes ago, Brad Mondel said:

Surviving 20F hard frosts is zone 8a. in

It's a tough palm, esp. when the growing point is still underground

[Dartolution]

Every picture I see of Sabal "lisa" be like:

 

If you know, you know... 

 

 

Also, please be advised:

I am not trolling anyone who likes Sabal Lisa. Im just trying to give you guys a good laugh during this "fun" year we've had. 

But come on..... Lisa = cynthia. 

 

Sorry, not sorry. 

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[Brad Mondel]

Lol thanks for ruining something good.

[Arecaceus]

I'm currently growing them from seed and the only thing I can tell about them is that at seedling stage at least they grow half as, if not only a third as fast as S. causiarum. They are growing in a hot spot inside, because of the lack of winter heat here. They will be a lot slower when planted out than they are in Florida but they are sort of a forget about long term project anyway.

[fr8train]

This and 'Vulcano' are probably my favorite palms.