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Trachycarpus hate forum

EastCanadaTropicals

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Fallen Munk Mentor

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Yeah I just hate how ugly that Stone Gate is in China with those awful Trachycarpus princeps clinging to the chasm walls.  It may be the most horrific thing I've ever seen.

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EastCanadaTropicals Experienced

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1 minute ago, Fallen Munk said:

Yeah I just hate how ugly that Stone Gate is in China with those awful Trachycarpus princeps clinging to the chasm walls.  It may be the most horrific thing I've ever seen.

The fronds look damaged. 

Nothing to say here. 

Fallen Munk Mentor

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The fronds look damaged. 

Yeah, almost like they don't get cared for at all.

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EastCanadaTropicals Experienced

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Just now, Fallen Munk said:

Yeah, almost like they don't get cared for at all.

They could've looked gorgeous.

Nothing to say here. 

EastCanadaTropicals Experienced

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Just now, Fallen Munk said:

Yeah, almost like they don't get cared for at all.

But yeah, trachycarpus is overcultivated.

Nothing to say here. 

Fallen Munk Mentor

Fallen Munk

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Just now, EastCanadaTropicals said:

They could've looked gorgeous.

I know, right?  They need a gardener to scale those cliffs so they keep them real nice for the tourists.

EastCanadaTropicals Experienced

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Just now, Fallen Munk said:

I know, right?  They need a gardener to scale those cliffs so they keep them real nice for the tourists.

At least they skinned the trunk.

Nothing to say here. 

Fallen Munk Mentor

Fallen Munk

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19 minutes ago, EastCanadaTropicals said:

At least they skinned the trunk.

I think we're talking about two different palms.  This is Stone Gate.  Nobody is gonna be up there stripping trunks.

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EastCanadaTropicals Experienced

EastCanadaTropicals

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Just now, Fallen Munk said:

I think we're talking about two different palms.  This is Stone Gate.  Nobody is gonna be up there stripping trunks.

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Oh, still like them better with skinned trunks.

 

Nothing to say here. 

Fallen Munk Mentor

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5 minutes ago, EastCanadaTropicals said:

Oh, still like them better with skinned trunks.

 

Maybe they should hire you to scale the cliff, haha.

 

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EastCanadaTropicals Experienced

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Just now, Fallen Munk said:

Maybe they should hire you to scale the cliff, haha.

 

lol. 

Nothing to say here. 

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1 minute ago, Fallen Munk said:

Maybe they should hire you to scale the cliff, haha.

 

At least I can make clothes with the fibers being used as wool.

Nothing to say here. 

Fallen Munk Mentor

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Just now, EastCanadaTropicals said:

At least I can make clothes with the fibers being used as wool.

I'll have to try that for my codpiece.

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ShadyDan Proficient

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I dislike this thread. I think my trachy is beautiful and I feel lucky to be able to grow such a wonderful tree in Canada. No need to throw shade at a reliable northern palm. 

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Zone 8b, Csb (Warm-summer Mediterranean climate). 1,940 annual sunshine hours 
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JohnAndSancho Grand Master

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49 minutes ago, Fallen Munk said:

I'll have to try that for my codpiece.

:floor: thank you for saving this thread 

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Cikas Mentor

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On 1/1/2021 at 8:40 PM, EastCanadaTropicals said:

They look ugly in hot summer climates.

I have hot summer Mediterranean climate. And they look just fine here. 

They look very similar to Coccothrinax species (which are tropical).

Trachycarpus and Coccothrinax are genetically related. 

I most definitely do not hate them. Especially less common Trachycarpus species. 

I have various different Trachycarpus species in my garden. 

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Palmfarmer Veteran

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No, they can look prestine in hot California like wheater, just get them enough water. I seen quite a lot of them grown in Gardens around Malaga in South of Spain and they look just as good as in the Pacific North West. The ones planted by the county along the road with little extra irrigation however looks like trash. 

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6 hours ago, Cikas said:

I have hot summer Mediterranean climate. And they look just fine here. 

They look very similar to Coccothrinax species (which are tropical).

Trachycarpus and Coccothrinax are genetically related. 

I most definitely do not hate them. Especially less common Trachycarpus species. 

I have various different Trachycarpus species in my garden. 

I meant humid climates with hot summers.

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akamu Mentor

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Trachycarpus  latisectus  have a nice tropical look also and what's not to like about the white underside of T princeps  it reminds me of my keriodoxa elegans I am also growing 

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ShadyDan Proficient

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1 hour ago, EastCanadaTropicals said:

I meant humid climates with hot summers.

Not sure what you are talking about here... they seem to do great in the Carolinas and much of the South East. Their summers are about as hot and humid as it gets. 
 

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Alex High Proficient

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21 hours ago, Palmfarmer said:

 

Yep I saw this video and I think Trachycarpus palms are beautiful. Maybe not my favorite of all palms but a palm is much better than no palm! Take care!

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Palmfarmer Veteran

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1 hour ago, ShadyDan said:

Not sure what you are talking about here... they seem to do great in the Carolinas and much of the South East. Their summers are about as hot and humid as it gets. 
 

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maybe he ment the south of florida where they never get much of a break from the heat.

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2 hours ago, akamu said:

Trachycarpus  latisectus  have a nice tropical look also and what's not to like about the white underside of T princeps  it reminds me of my keriodoxa elegans I am also growing 

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Thanks for that suggestion, I'll get one and skin the trunk.

Nothing to say here. 

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1 minute ago, Palmfarmer said:

maybe he ment the south of florida where they never get much of a break from the heat.

I meant the northeast.

Nothing to say here. 

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"Ugly" might be a bit of an exaggeration for some of them. They're just in a pretty low rank in my book.

Nothing to say here. 

DoomsDave Grand Master

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Oh Trachies how do I hate thee? Let me count the ways:

1. That they can hold snow in their crowns and not die! So un-palm like!

Others may chime in.....

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WestCoastGal Grand Master

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First time I saw a trachy with it’s wooly trunk and told it would grow well in our area, I had no interest in one for our soon-to-be-planted palm beds. Then I saw these at our local nursery and fell in love. These were already spoken for but bought another skinned one. Kind of sorry we didn’t get two and plant together in the same bed. 
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For me it was like seeing the ugly duckling turning into a beautiful swan. Always been a fan of thin trunked palms. 

For whatever reason when I see wooly trunked ones I think of prehistoric times and maybe wooly mammoths not sunny beaches lined with palms.

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Frond-friend42 Veteran

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Very interesting topic. I HATE not having my own trachys. Well, I have some seeds with roots that didn't break the surface. Probably fortuneis.  I would like to get my hands on some takils. They might even be able to survive outside where I live in Salt Lake. Probably still a longshot.

WestCoastGal Grand Master

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Now I hated these trachy. :rolleyes: Saw them during a palm society meeting in Atherton. They bordered a narrow walkway on both sides at one spot through the garden. @Jim in Los Altos probably knows the garden and what variety they are. This photo reminded me of looking at peacock feathers over head in some weird way. Loved how the fronds were carried so upright.
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Chester B Grand Master

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13 hours ago, Frond-friend42 said:

Very interesting topic. I HATE not having my own trachys. Well, I have some seeds with roots that didn't break the surface. Probably fortuneis.  I would like to get my hands on some takils. They might even be able to survive outside where I live in Salt Lake. Probably still a longshot.

There is a guy named Rob in SLC that has mature Takil.  He builds an elaborate structure over them every year and does provide heat.

From what I have read from other people's experience as well as my own takil are LESS hardy than regular old fortunei

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Chester B Grand Master

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12 hours ago, WestCoastGal said:

Now I hated these trachy. :rolleyes: Saw them during a palm society meeting in Atherton. They bordered a narrow walkway on both sides at one spot through the garden. @Jim in Los Altos probably knows the garden and what variety they are. This photo reminded me of looking at peacock feathers over head in some weird way. Loved how the fronds were carried so upright.
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I think those are T martianus.

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amh Grand Master

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16 hours ago, WestCoastGal said:

Now I hated these trachy. :rolleyes: Saw them during a palm society meeting in Atherton. They bordered a narrow walkway on both sides at one spot through the garden. @Jim in Los Altos probably knows the garden and what variety they are. This photo reminded me of looking at peacock feathers over head in some weird way. Loved how the fronds were carried so upright.
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Well, now you've done it.

You convinced me to buy one of these most despised genus of palm.

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Fallen Munk Mentor

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18 hours ago, Frond-friend42 said:

Very interesting topic. I HATE not having my own trachys. Well, I have some seeds with roots that didn't break the surface. Probably fortuneis.  I would like to get my hands on some takils. They might even be able to survive outside where I live in Salt Lake. Probably still a longshot.

You are in luck.  A guy in SLC has some, and you can buy seeds from him if you hurry.  Might be even close enough to pick up in person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX9j3JeyAyg&ab_channel=RoseShopRob

 

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Jubaea_James760 Veteran

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10 hours ago, amh said:

Well, now you've done it.

You convinced me to buy one of these most despised genus of palm.

Good luck. Let me know if you find some reasonably priced that can ship. At one point I had 5 big 1 gallons & they seem to be more readily available 6-7 years ago.

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Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

amh Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, James760 said:

Good luck. Let me know if you find some reasonably priced that can ship. At one point I had 5 big 1 gallons & they seem to be more readily available 6-7 years ago.

It looks like northtexascoldhardypalms has some Trachycarpus.

I've noticed a decrease in local availability in my area, but I'm a hermit, so I may just be missing them.

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2 minutes ago, amh said:

It looks like northtexascoldhardypalms has some Trachycarpus.

I've noticed a decrease in local availability in my area, but I'm a hermit, so I may just be missing them.

Trachycarpus Martianus I was mentioning. I should have been specific,  my bad.

Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

amh Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, James760 said:

Trachycarpus Martianus I was mentioning. I should have been specific,  my bad.

Okay, yeah I haven't seen any for sale.

EastCanadaTropicals Experienced

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Trachys are extremely overcultivated, but the real ugly palm is the queen palms.

Nothing to say here. 

JohnAndSancho Grand Master

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3 minutes ago, EastCanadaTropicals said:

Trachys are extremely overcultivated, but the real ugly palm is the queen palms.

If you don't like them, don't buy them. Good Lord man, let it go already. 

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