The Palms of the Oblate School of Theology

[GoatLockerGuns]

8 hours ago, richtrav said:

That looks like Brahea decumbens when it is given the good life, in the wild where they’re stressed and burned off occasionally they look a lot more, mmm, xeric. Around Miquihuana and Jaumave there does look like there’s some interaction with dulcis/berlandieri at lower elevations. I have an old (c. 2005) picture of some inflorescences I collected of some intergrade types found near Jaumave. I believe Lynn Lowrey collected the “decumbens” for the San Antonio Botanical Garden in the same general area. 

Great info @richtrav...thank you!  Also, it looks like this Brahea decumbens it is now suckering.  Or, at least, there appears to be multiple other growths coming up from below the main stem.  It currently has inflorescence growing as well.

 

Any idea on the second Brahea sp. there?

[GoatLockerGuns]

I think this Sabal sp. at Oblate looks really nice.  It reminds me of Sabal mauritiiformis from its presentation.  It is strongly costapalmate with a long midrib, and it has some wicked looking protruding hastulas.  I have a hard time believing it is Sabal mauritiiformis though, seeing how it survived the 2021 freeze event.  Anyone have any thoughts on this one?

[RJ]

On 12/20/2022 at 4:58 PM, GoatLockerGuns said:

I think this Sabal sp. at Oblate looks really nice.  It reminds me of Sabal mauritiiformis from its presentation.  It is strongly costapalmate with a long midrib, and it has some wicked looking protruding hastulas.  I have a hard time believing it is Sabal mauritiiformis though, seeing how it survived the 2021 freeze event.  Anyone have any thoughts on this one?

 

 

Looks like a minor to me. Very little leaf recurve.  Is that a seed stalk I see in the last picture? 

[GoatLockerGuns]

2 hours ago, RJ said:

Looks like a minor to me.

That would be the wildest looking Sabal minor I have ever seen.  My Sabal minor look nothing like that.  There is some pretty strong costapalmate fronds going on there too.  But given its history of cold survival, I guess it is possible as some morphological variation.

2 hours ago, RJ said:

Is that a seed stalk I see in the last picture?

I think that is a spear from the main palm.  It looked like the growing point was below ground.

[RJ]

5 minutes ago, GoatLockerGuns said:

That would be the wildest looking Sabal minor I have ever seen.  My Sabal minor look nothing like that.  There is some pretty strong costapalmate fronds going on there too.  But given its history of cold survival, I guess it is possible as some morphological variation.

I think that is a spear from the main palm.  It looked like the growing point was below ground.

I guess I just didn’t see the costapalmate fronds… I see some but mostly just what appear to be really wind tattered fronds 🤷‍♂️. 
 

regarding spear… perhaps but if the growth point is that far underground at that size…. Screams minor, no? 

[idontknowhatnametuse]

The Sabal Sp. Is a Mauritiiformis, Really surprised it survived that freeze.

[GoatLockerGuns]

13 hours ago, idontknowhatnametuse said:

The Sabal Sp. Is a Mauritiiformis, Really surprised it survived that freeze.

That is the current working theory...and yeah, really surprising if it is.

[ChrisA]

Does this palm still exist?  I'd love to go check it out if it does.  Been a while since I've been to this location anyway.