Palmageddon Aftermath Photo Thread

[Collectorpalms]

Some really chunky Washingtonia Filifera after zero. Pictures doesn’t do them justice. The left one is trying hard to grow.

Edited April 26, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

21 minutes ago, Collectorpalms said:

Waco area was zapped after -2. Sagos and several Sabal Palmetto dead. Saw several dead Trachycarpus Fortunia closer to Austin.

Texas Rex Yucca Fried too.

 

Looks like the one behind the last sabal photo has a lot of green, are those lights wrapped around the trunk?  Windmill also looks ok in that photo.  are the two gnarly trunked sabals 5 photos down showing any life?

[Collectorpalms]

Yes that Sabal palmetto and windmill benefiting from the building up against the building were ok. 
I found some texas Sabal near the gnarled palmetto alive I checked seeds on all of them. More Sabal Mexicana alive than Palmetto when it comes to transplants for commercial plantings.

[Collectorpalms]

A lone Washingtonia alive, and all the sagos were dead except the female that had seeds. I collected them all. They looked good?? Lower left almost out of frame.

you can see what a dead sago looks like when you pull the fuzzy top off. All their tops were rotten when I tugged on them except the female.

Edited April 26, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[Collectorpalms]

[Collectorpalms]

17 hours ago, Teegurr said:

Two large W. filiferas pushing green.

 

Where can I find these?

I have two this nice But taller doing nothing! So frustrating seeing this seems like mine are doomed. Mine seemed more damaged from snow and ice than those got. Those held their crowns upward pretty well.

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[NBTX11]

Looks like Waco got zapped a lot harder than we did. All the palmettos, windmills, Filifera, and CIDP are alive here. 

[UK_Palms]

7 hours ago, Collectorpalms said:

Surely I can’t be reading that right!? $329.99 for that small Trachycarpus Fortunei...!? That is absolutely insane. Please don’t pay that amount. I mean that is literally a $40-50 palm here in the UK. Ironic that they call it a “special” deal as well... 

[joetx]

On 4/25/2021 at 2:19 AM, boaterboat said:

I pulled one my five 15’ trunk Livistona Chinensis that looked the worst, and it was confirmed dead, but in the meantime thought I would plant several others, as I have two strong survivors that are pushing green. I got a little carried away and added quite a few more (I personally think they are very under appreciated if you want a slender trunk tropical-looking palm that is reasonably cold hardy) rather than just replacing. 

I also added several sabals and filifera after seeing how quickly they have started pushing green after the freeze in Central Texas. 
 

Overall, 28 new palms went in, and one confirmed dead came out, with two Livistona Chinensis survival TBD. If they don’t make it, I’ll deal with it later, but I couldn’t pull them without giving them a few more months.  
 

I had been waiting for an excuse to add palm to the front of the house, so I added quite a few there as well. 
 

I’m sure the neighbors think I’m crazy considering the crane and all, but they’ve been very complimentary so far!

Looks awesome  Hopefully you'll inspire some people.

[Collectorpalms]

6 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

Surely I can’t be reading that right!? $329.99 for that small Trachycarpus Fortunei...!? That is absolutely insane. Please don’t pay that amount. I mean that is literally a $40-50 palm here in the UK. Ironic that they call it a “special” deal as well... 

Yes that is correct! I took the picture to show insane prices on palms. Last year they had them for less. They had a bigger one for $899. The place is rather unethical in the “special” sticker. It’s ink is starting to fade. They actually sell a lot of plants there. 

Edited April 26, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[Jtee]

6 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

Surely I can’t be reading that right!? $329.99 for that small Trachycarpus Fortunei...!? That is absolutely insane. Please don’t pay that amount. I mean that is literally a $40-50 palm here in the UK. Ironic that they call it a “special” deal as well... 

I bought a windmill larger than that for $100 in Florida and I seen them at Lowe’s for $109

[PricklyPearSATC]

13 hours ago, Collectorpalms said:

 

 

I assume this is a 15 gal?  A few months ago Lowes had 3 gallons for $25.  Their 3 gal butias are $25. 

15 gal pots are like $150 or so at Lowes.
 

 

 

[Collectorpalms]

6 hours ago, NBTX11 said:

Looks like Waco got zapped a lot harder than we did. All the palmettos, windmills, Filifera, and CIDP are alive here. 

It was that bad all the way to Round Rock on the north side of Austin. The Dominion on the north side that had two dozen Medjool Date Palms, none had green and An establishment that had windmills had zero green as well. This was the zone that had the highest snowfall prior to the coldest night, so it had the longest period of freezing temperatures, and lowest daytime highs.

Edited April 26, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

13 hours ago, Collectorpalms said:

 

That sabal looks fantastic, wonder why the other one was torched so bad in comparison.

[Collectorpalms]

1 minute ago, PricklyPearSATC said:

 

It’s a 15 gallon and IS larger than the 5 gallon at the orange box store. The orange big box store is the one I purchased, but it’s rather small for a 5 gallon. 

[Collectorpalms]

12 minutes ago, Jtee said:

I bought a windmill larger than that for $100 in Florida and I seen them at Lowe’s for $109

Sorry folks this isn’t Florida, this is Waco, Texas. About as far away as Florida as Indiana. This is also not a big box store. 

[Collectorpalms]

49 minutes ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

That sabal looks fantastic, wonder why the other one was torched so bad in comparison.

It’s center spear was probably killed on the right one and what your seeing is after a few week of desiccation. I am not sure if it looked about the same right after the freeze. A lot of it is random which ones survived but being in sun helped, and the one on the right was shaded some even when I was there in the afternoon yesterday in April. 

Edited April 26, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[JohnAndSancho]

Re: the big Sago in my apartments - should we call it a comeback? It's been here for years. 

 

Hope someone caught that LL Cool J reference. 

[Xenon]

Some photos from NW Houston @ 290 & FM 1960 

Also seeing about 10-20% survival in this area, a significant jump up from Cypress where most all robusta look dead. So far, the robusta kill line seems to be closely mirroring the pre-2021 Houston queen palm limits. 

 

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Xenon

[Collectorpalms]

14 minutes ago, Xenon said:

Some photos from NW Houston @ 290 & FM 1960 

Also seeing about 10-20% survival in this area, a significant jump up from Cypress where most all robusta look dead. So far, the robusta kill line seems to be closely mirroring the pre-2021 Houston queen palm limits. 

 

 

 

Can’t tell in pics without zooming in on each one. I only saw 2 in your pictures, and they were near the buildings.

Really sad! Was it the building slowing the wind you think or did 1 or 2 degrees make a difference. Was it a few degrees warming during the day because the pavement melted the frozen precipitation faster than areas less built up.

my guess all of the above.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[Xenon]

2 minutes ago, Collectorpalms said:

Daylight pics so far it’s hard to make out much green so far. I only saw 2 in your pictures, and they were near the buildings.

Yeah sorry it was super overcast when I took the pics on Friday. 5-6 of the palms that appear in the photos are pushing green 

[Teegurr]

On 4/26/2021 at 1:45 AM, Collectorpalms said:

Where can I find these?

I have two this nice But taller doing nothing! So frustrating seeing this seems like mine are doomed. Mine seemed more damaged from snow and ice than those got. Those held their crowns upward pretty well.

 

Sorry for the late response. These are on Shadowwood.

[WSimpson]

On 4/26/2021 at 3:22 PM, joetx said:

Looks awesome  Hopefully you'll inspire some people.

Your place will look great in no time . Watering will really help there in Texas  , which I'm sure you know already . 

Keep the board posted on its progress .

Will

[UK_Palms]

I have a few questions regarding Robusta's and you guys are going to be more qualified than anyone to answer after your recent February freeze... @Collectorpalms @NBTX11 @Xenon

What temperature would you say that Robusta's incur damage from (I'm hearing conflicting reports)? 

What temperature would you expect your Robusta's to be defoliated at?

What is the absolute lowest temperature that a Robusta can take and still recover from?

I ask because I have a lot of Mexican's here (20+), a bigger one of which went in the ground a few weeks back. I am in a very marginal, inland area with no UHI and I went down to 20F this winter just gone, but have been as low as 13F here as recently as February 2018 with 36-48 hours below freezing. I know the Robusta's in London are totally unscathed and look completely pristine after last winter's 25F low there, but that wouldn't be the case out here in the rural countryside where I am, away from the coast. I'm just curious what my chances are with them out here and whether I can afford to have them defoliate say 1 in every 3 winters, but still recover hopefully...?

My 'Robusta' is on the right, Filibusta hybrid on the left...

Also @Collectorpalms is there any movement at all on any of those tall Robusta's you have? Or are they all totally dead as a dodo?

Cheers

[Collectorpalms]

8 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

I have a few questions regarding Robusta's and you guys are going to be more qualified than anyone to answer after your recent February freeze... @Collectorpalms @NBTX11 @Xenon

What temperature would you say that Robusta's incur damage from (I'm hearing conflicting reports)? 

What temperature would you expect your Robusta's to be defoliated at?

What is the absolute lowest temperature that a Robusta can take and still recover from?

I ask because I have a lot of Mexican's here (20+), a bigger one of which went in the ground a few weeks back. I am in a very marginal, inland area with no UHI and I went down to 20F this winter just gone, but have been as low as 13F here as recently as February 2018 with 36-48 hours below freezing. I know the Robusta's in London are totally unscathed and look completely pristine after last winter's 25F low there, but that wouldn't be the case out here in the rural countryside where I am, away from the coast. I'm just curious what my chances are with them out here and whether I can afford to have them defoliate say 1 in every 3 winters, but still recover hopefully...?

My 'Robusta' is on the right, Filibusta hybrid on the left...

Also @Collectorpalms is there any movement at all on any of those tall Robusta's you have? Or are they all totally dead as a dodo?

Cheers

This is a hot topic! I’ll give me experience soon! The true story has yet to be told. It’s only mid April.

[Xenon]

20 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

I have a few questions regarding Robusta's and you guys are going to be more qualified than anyone to answer after your recent February freeze... @Collectorpalms @NBTX11 @Xenon

What temperature would you say that Robusta's incur damage from (I'm hearing conflicting reports)? 

What temperature would you expect your Robusta's to be defoliated at?

What is the absolute lowest temperature that a Robusta can take and still recover from?

Pure/nearly pure robusta is fairly tender and starts burning around 20F. Defoliation occurs at 16-17F and death around 12-14F.  Older and/or neglected palms can die from high teens. These observations probably do not translate to your cloudy oceanic SE England climate (which many people have tried to tell you) which is extremely different from a low latitude TX humid subtropical climate that is tropical 8 months of the year. 

None of the palms you've posted in England look like real rail-thin lime green robusta and your young palms don't look like robusta either. 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Xenon

[MesquiteRetreat]

Back on April 15 Reyes Vargas asked for photos. I would have responded directly, but I’m still not clear on how to do that..LOL! Anyway, finally got around to it...so here are some photos. Most of our palm species survived, but the jury remains out on our Foxtails.

Areca+Royal-two months later.pdf Courtyard-two months later.pdf Crinum-two months later.pdf

[NBTX11]

1 hour ago, Xenon said:

Pure/nearly pure robusta is fairly tender and starts burning around 20F. Defoliation occurs at 16-17F and death around 12-14F.  Older and/or neglected palms can die from high teens. These observations probably do not translate to your cloudy oceanic SE England climate (which many people have tried to tell you) which is extremely different from a low latitude TX humid subtropical climate that is tropical 8 months of the year. 

None of the palms you've posted in England look like real rail-thin lime green robusta and your young palms don't look like robusta either. 

I would add that some can take as low as 10, many in San Antonio are recovering. A majority died and/or look dead but still a significant number lived. These ones took at least 9F in New Braunfels. And there were others. 

[MesquiteRetreat]

Hmmm...not sure if my PDFs will be visible...if not I can upload a different way.

[Reyes Vargas]

18 minutes ago, MesquiteRetreat said:

Back on April 15 Reyes Vargas asked for photos. I would have responded directly, but I’m still not clear on how to do that..LOL! Anyway, finally got around to it...so here are some photos. Most of our palm species survived, but the jury remains out on our Foxtails.

Areca+Royal-two months later.pdf 1.21 MB · 3 downloads Courtyard-two months later.pdf 858.63 kB · 1 download Crinum-two months later.pdf 735.56 kB · 1 download

That's awesome that the royal looks like it's going to make it.  Give that courtyard some time and it will look somewhat like it did in the before pictures.  The pygmy date palms are definitely going to make it.

If you want to respond to a particular person directly just click on the quote button underneath the post.  Then that person will get notified when you respond.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Reyes Vargas

[MesquiteRetreat]

1 minute ago, Reyes Vargas said:

That's awesome that the royal looks like it's going to make it.  Give that courtyard some time and it will look somewhat like it did in the before pictures.  Do pygmy date palms are definitely going to make it.

If you want to respond to a particular person directly just click on the quote button underneath the post.  Then that person will get notified when you respond.

Hey, thanks for the lesson on responding...LOL! And next time I'll go back to JPGs...I was just being lazy. We are so happy the Royals are pushing! We used the copper fungicide suggested in this forum on the Pgymys, and even though some tops did pull out, they all look like they will make it. We are really surprised by the Crinum!

[Xenon]

52 minutes ago, NBTX11 said:

I would add that some can take as low as 10, many in San Antonio are recovering. A majority died and/or look dead but still a significant number lived. These ones took at least 9F in New Braunfels. And there were others. 

They all look a bit on the thick side to be robusta (or at least extremely robusta leaning "robusta"). It looks like the filifera blood is saving them, 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Xenon

[Reyes Vargas]

22 minutes ago, MesquiteRetreat said:

We are really surprised by the Crinum!

Crinums are a lot more hardy than you might think.  Since the bulb is under ground they will be fine.  The tops might get fried but the bulbs will survive.

[MesquiteRetreat]

15 minutes ago, Reyes Vargas said:

Crinums are a lot more hardy than you might think.  Since the bulb is under ground they will be fine.  The tops might get fried but the bulbs will survive.

We actually had to cut it back twice. The first time we, apparently, did not cut it down far enough. But it is coming back great now.

Did you get a chance to check out Tree of Life?

[UK_Palms]

2 hours ago, Xenon said:

Pure/nearly pure robusta is fairly tender and starts burning around 20F. Defoliation occurs at 16-17F and death around 12-14F.  Older and/or neglected palms can die from high teens. These observations probably do not translate to your cloudy oceanic SE England climate (which many people have tried to tell you) which is extremely different from a low latitude TX humid subtropical climate that is tropical 8 months of the year. 

None of the palms you've posted in England look like real rail-thin lime green robusta and your young palms don't look like robusta either. 

I have never seen a severely damaged or killed washie here in the UK, so it is hard to gage their exact hardiness over here. No doubt plenty of washies have probably perished from cold events over the years here, but I am yet to see any dead ones myself. So it's hard to gage their threshold over here and know exactly what temps have killed them, especially Robusta's.

I know some of the big 30ft Filifera's have survived lows of 15F totally undamaged. I rarely see any damaged hybrids either. But as you say, there isn't many pure Robusta's here to properly gage their hardiness. I am also fully aware that their hardiness will differ depending on climate, clearly. I'm just trying to take information from your recent freeze as a reference point.

I think the Earl's Court, London washie is a pure Robusta, right...? The trunk is real thin, although I doubt that thing has ever experienced colder than 21-22F there in central London...

This picture shows the "rail-thin" trunk better, fresh after a trim...

 

Some more Robusta's in London, which are thriving but were planted big...

 

25 minutes ago, NBTX11 said:

I would add that some can take as low as 10, many in San Antonio are recovering. A majority died and/or look dead but still a significant number lived. These ones took at least 9F in New Braunfels. And there were others. 

Obviously you guys are going to have better recovery chances due to the quicker warmup and the fact you have warmer temps in general across the year. Of course the freeze duration will come into it too. I have never spent more than about 48-72 hours below freezing here. If I'm not mistaken, you guys were below freezing for about 120 hours weren't you in NB/Austin? Yet you're saying some of the Robusta's have come back from that freeze duration and the 9F low...? If so, that makes me a tiny bit more confident with Robusta's here. 

[NBTX11]

5 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

I have never seen a severely damaged or killed washie here in the UK, so it is hard to gage their exact hardiness over here. No doubt plenty of washies have probably perished from cold events over the years here, but I am yet to see any dead ones myself. So it's hard to gage their threshold over here and know exactly what temps have killed them, especially Robusta's.

I know some of the big 30ft Filifera's have survived lows of 15F totally undamaged. I rarely see any damaged hybrids either. But as you say, there isn't many pure Robusta's here to properly gage their hardiness. I am also fully aware that their hardiness will differ depending on climate, clearly. I'm just trying to take information from your recent freeze as a reference point.

I think the Earl's Court, London washie is a pure Robusta, right...? The trunk is real thin, although I doubt that thing has ever experienced colder than 21-22F there in central London...

This picture shows the "rail-thin" trunk better, fresh after a trim...

 

Some more Robusta's in London, which are thriving but were planted big...

 

Obviously you guys are going to have better recovery chances due to the quicker warmup and the fact you have warmer temps in general across the year. Of course the freeze duration will come into it too. I have never spent more than about 48-72 hours below freezing here. If I'm not mistaken, you guys were below freezing for about 120 hours weren't you in NB/Austin? Yet you're saying some of the Robusta's have come back from that freeze duration and the 9F low...? If so, that makes me a tiny bit more confident with Robusta's here. 

I don't know the exact hours below freezing but I know it was over 100 hours.  I am closer to San Antonio than Austin.  On most of those days we got pretty close to freezing temps, even if it stayed below freezing.  There are actually quite a few recovering in San Antonio.  I saw a row of about 10 of them and all of them were recovering.

[UK_Palms]

3 hours ago, Collectorpalms said:

This is a hot topic! I’ll give me experience soon! The true story has yet to be told. It’s only mid April.

I'm hoping at least one or two of those big Robusta's come back for you man. They looked great. Another couple of weeks and you may see some growth, fingers crossed.

Are there any other Robusta survivors in College Station?

[NBTX11]

44 minutes ago, Xenon said:

They all look a bit on the thick side to be robusta (or at least extremely robusta leaning "robusta"). It looks like the filifera blood is saving them, 

That's New Braunfels.  In San Antonio there are plenty of thin/tall Robusta recovering.  I saw them the other day.  Even in my first picture, the trunk looks pretty thin to me.  Maybe a touch of Filifera blood, but definitely more Robusta than Filifera.

[NBTX11]

Robusta - 20F begin to bronze and burn. 16F serious burn, but easily recover.  8-14F, variable, depending on how pure it is, dead.   

 

[Reyes Vargas]

26 minutes ago, MesquiteRetreat said:

We actually had to cut it back twice. The first time we, apparently, did not cut it down far enough. But it is coming back great now.

Did you get a chance to check out Tree of Life?

Not yet no.