Jubaea in Dallas

[Paradise Found]

Has anyone see the beautiful Jubaea in Dallas yet?  How is it doing? Sorry if this has been posted already. 

[climate change virginia]

dallas may be too wet

[Meangreen94z]

33 minutes ago, climate change virginia said:

dallas may be too wet

No there’s actually several there. I think he’s meaning “how did the huge Jubaea at the aquarium make it through this last cold front”

[Paradise Found]

6 minutes ago, Meangreen94z said:

No there’s actually several there. I think he’s meaning “how did the huge Jubaea at the aquarium make it through this last cold front”

Yes, the large one at the aquarium is it showing any damage or maybe to soon to tell?

[Meangreen94z]

Still waiting on an update myself. It may be too early but it looked rough prior to that cold front. From what I hear the owner of that aquarium owns several that are just as large on his own property. It would be interesting to see how those faired as well.

[Ben in Norcal]

My guess is the freeze put it out of its misery, but would like to know myself.  Such a shame - it really didn't like that climate even before this freeze.

[PricklyPearSATC]

Don't they like dry?

Years ago, I read about one on the San Antonio River Walk.  Manuel Flores wrote they need perfect drainage. 

[Collectorpalms]

I sent Patrick the hybrid palm master of CA a picture of the palm at the Riverwalk 10 years ago. He did not think it was pure Jubaea. Here it is from April 2010. I think its a beauty if it is or isnt.

Edited March 4, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[Fusca]

Here's that same palm on the Riverwalk from this past year.

[necturus]

Yeah that ain't pure Jubaea. I know we don't see them as much here, but I saw a lot of them in Chile. There's no comparison. Looks like the "JxB" Eric has shared on here at some park in Orlando. I think it'll be okay.

[Fusca]

1 hour ago, necturus said:

I think it'll be okay.

I read an old post on here about the likelihood that it's a hybrid.  I'll go by next weekend and get a pic.  I'm sure it's fine as well considering its favorable microclimate.

[necturus]

I have a big but not trunking B.yatay x J in my yard that had only passive protection but looks solid except for the spear. The spear has started looking a little funky, but not enough to make me scared yet. Supposedly BxJ is less hardy than JxB, so I think they bodes well for this monster. I also think it's clear that these massive trunks play a big role in the hardiness of palms.

[Paradise Found]

About 20 years ago I planted my first Jubaea and it was a beauty. 24" box, in the ground it was 6' tall and awesome looking.  One winter along came big arctic blast killing the spear and some of the fronds in the center. Below freezing for three days plus 7 more days freezing at night and snow. It looked like a goner and to my eye was totally dead... but two years later out of now where it grew back.  I could not believe it.

So sometimes miracles do happen.  

Edited March 5, 2021 by Paradise Found

[Collectorpalms]

14 hours ago, Fusca said:

I read an old post on here about the likelihood that it's a hybrid.  I'll go by next weekend and get a pic.  I'm sure it's fine as well considering its favorable microclimate.

Downtown SA was around 10.5F. Probably it’s location on the Riverwalk still saw temperatures low enough to burn the exposed leaves. There are slightly better microclimates on the Riverwalk. Looks like there is a lady palm and arenga near it. I’ll be curious if it’s not Burnt at all. I have a small Jxb that has been through 5F that has a fried central spear and not sure if it will make it. Some green on leaves. Was Not protected. 

Edited March 5, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[Fallen Munk]

On 3/3/2021 at 7:36 PM, PricklyPearSATC said:

Don't they like dry?

Years ago, I read about one on the San Antonio River Walk.  Manuel Flores wrote they need perfect drainage. 

Not in my experience.  Where I live they get almost four feet of rain per year.  Almost all of it in the winter.  And mine are planted in clay.  I've only had it less than a year and it's growing real fast for Jubaea.  Below is only 8 months of growth.

Edited March 5, 2021 by Fallen Munk

[Fusca]

13 hours ago, Collectorpalms said:

Looks like there is a lady palm and arenga near it.

The Rhapis might still be in that location but I don't think that Arenga in your photo is there anymore.  I'll check when I go down there.  I know there are a couple of different plantings of Rhapis but I only remember seeing Arenga in a different location near some Bismarckia.  But it could just be that when I'm in that area I'm only checking out that Jubaea hybrid and not paying attention to the other plants around it!

[Meangreen94z]

Nobody has posted pictures yet? I guess at this point it’s pointless. We won’t know if it survived for a while 

[Jimhardy]

Bump 

[Fusca]

Not in Dallas, but here is an updated pic of the Jubaea hybrid(?) on the San Antonio Riverwalk.  Sidewalk across from palm was closed for construction so I was limited in position and sun was shining bright behind me.  A little hard to make out but the palm looks untouched - all fronds are a nice healthy green.  Same with Sabal next to it - cycads not so lucky.  Sorry for poor photo quality.

 

Edited March 8, 2021 by Fusca

[necturus]

Thanks, Jon. I may be going over there at the end of the month and will try to snap a shot.

If there's one palm I'd bet on, it's this bad boy. If they didn't grow at a glacial pace and take up a huge amount of room, they'd be the bomb proof pinnate palm for southern Texas.

11 hours ago, Fusca said:

Not in Dallas, but here is an updated pic of the Jubaea hybrid(?) on the San Antonio Riverwalk.  Sidewalk across from palm was closed for construction so I was limited in position and sun was shining bright behind me.  A little hard to make out but the palm looks untouched - all fronds are a nice healthy green.  Same with Sabal next to it - cycads not so lucky.  Sorry for poor photo quality.

 

 

[Fusca]

1 hour ago, necturus said:

Thanks, Jon. I may be going over there at the end of the month and will try to snap a shot.

If there's one palm I'd bet on, it's this bad boy. If they didn't grow at a glacial pace and take up a huge amount of room, they'd be the bomb proof pinnate palm for southern Texas.

I agree.  It doesn't get the same amount of humidity as Houston but still gets a fair amount.  I noticed a mixed bag as far as Butias go - some look very good, some not so much but I think all will survive.

[Collectorpalms]

What kind of cold duration and low can Jubaea take without being burnt?
Looks like Butia was good in the neighborhood of 10F.

My JxB took 5F and it looks like it has a chance. Probably if it had been older or had a colder dry fall, the spear would not have been fried. 

The one on a Riverwalk looks like it got below 20F with the Sagos. How did the Bismarckia, Mules, do?
Also, the single Queen below the St. Mary’s bridge Fair, that has never been burned?

Edited March 8, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[Fusca]

4 hours ago, Collectorpalms said:

How did the Bismarckia, Mules, do?

Here's a before and after shot of the mules.  They're a bit too tall to see any green from below.  Didn't see the Syagrus you mentioned.

Edited March 9, 2021 by Fusca

[Fusca]

Bismarckia all look ghostly white, but spears seemed to show signs of hope.  Before shot is a different palm.  After pic the bizzy is in between a couple of sorry-looking Livistona chinensis that will definitely survive.  As you can see they had that part of the sidewalk blocked likely to allow trimmers in there.   

Edited March 9, 2021 by Fusca

[Fusca]

Finally Brahea brandegeei.  Despite the horrible appearance the main spear still looked green.  With all of the damage and early editing I noticed several Sabal minor, Trachycarpus and even a Rhapidophyllum hystrix that I didn't ever notice before!  Not many uncommon palms left unfortunately.

 

On the positive side, this massive old Chamaerops appears to have come through relatively unscathed!  Saw many other clumps that had completely defoliated.

Edited March 9, 2021 by Fusca

[PricklyPearSATC]

4 minutes ago, Fusca said:

Finally Brahea brandegeei.  Despite the horrible appearance the main spear still looked green.  With all of the damage and early editing I noticed several Sabal minor, Trachycarpus and even a Rhapidophyllum hystrix that I didn't ever notice before!

 

I bet the Oblate's garden off of Blanco must look like a disaster!

[Fusca]

2 minutes ago, PricklyPearSATC said:

I bet the Oblate's garden off of Blanco must look like a disaster!

Agree - I didn't have time to get over there but will probably stop by there this weekend.  Hopefully someone there provided some protection!