Clinostigma savoryanum

[realarch]

Sort of a miniature Clino for me, which makes for a choice palm. Growing in what seems to be solid rock, which I’m sure slows it’s growth, gives it great scale and a palm to look at and not up. Nothing like the glow of a Clino crown shaft.

Tim

[palmfriend]

A beautiful species!

I am glad that I could join the club. The last year's seed delivery I received from the Ogasawara Island contained very viable seeds. I got approximately 40 or more sprouts out of 50. A few will be planted out soon - I am really looking forward their growth. 

best regards from Okinawa - 

Lars

[akamu]

One of my favorites mahalo for sharing .Looks like a young D. albofarinosa to the left? And marojejya insignis on the right ? 

[James B]

I have 2 that are very young. Planted last spring as probably 3 gallon size. Now both are 6 feet tall at the top of the leaves. Pretty fast growers too. Not Archontophoenix fast but put out 4 leaves last year. 

[redant]

Just popped one in the ground this morning, my first one. Beautiful palm.

[richnorm]

Can't grow them like Hawaii here in a warm temperate climate but they give me pleasure.  The crownshaft is particularly beautiful but I resisted pulling off the old boot for the photo.

[mike in kurtistown]

Pics of my two savoryanums from east Hawaii Island, fronds reach up to 7 or 8 feet. These aren't large enough yet to teach me the subtle morphological differences from other Clinostigma species that I am growing: warburgii, harlandii, exorrhizum, ponapense, and gronophylum.  However, the ID is from Floribunda, my source for them, so should be reliable.

[kinzyjr]

Walked past this one the other day and thought it matched Clinostigma savoryanum:

[realarch]

43 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

Walked past this one the other day and thought it matched Clinostigma savoryanum:

Somewhat similar, but that looks like Carpoxylon.

Tim

[realarch]

Adam, the small clumper on the left is a D. lutescens and the on the right is a Marojejya darianii.

Tim

[realarch]

Just thought I’d throw in a coupe more photos. These are Clinostigma samoense in a ‘wild’ part of the garden.

They are loving the 80”+, (2000mm), so far this year. Glug, glug.

Tim 

[cobra2326]

On 4/4/2021 at 5:59 PM, mike in kurtistown said:

Pics of my two savoryanums from east Hawaii Island, fronds reach up to 7 or 8 feet. These aren't large enough yet to teach me the subtle morphological differences from other Clinostigma species that I am growing: warburgii, harlandii, exorrhizum, ponapense, and gronophylum.  However, the ID is from Floribunda, my source for them, so should be reliable.

Armchair expert here  The most noticeable difference between samoense and savoryanum is the drooping leaflets. 

[James B]

4 minutes ago, cobra2326 said:

Armchair expert here  The most noticeable difference between samoense and savoryanum is the drooping leaflets. 

And the color. Savoryanum has it beat in terms of color. 

[akamu]

Thanks for your response marojejya are incredible Palms just too dry here. My M. Insignis ended up looking like a burnt potato chip after  Santa ana winds cooked it

[PalmatierMeg]

On 4/4/2021 at 6:25 PM, kinzyjr said:

Walked past this one the other day and thought it matched Clinostigma savoryanum:

Looks like Carpoxylon

[ruskinPalms]

I definitely would like one (or some) of these in my yard!! This is a supposedly the most cold/cool tolerant species of this genus so maybe...

[WaianaeCrider]

Here is my baby.  Planted 6 months ago one gallon size from FB on Big Island

[WaianaeCrider]

On 4/6/2021 at 9:38 PM, WaianaeCrider said:

Here is my baby.  Planted 6 months ago one gallon size from FB on Big Island

That was at  November 1st.  Here it is today 5 months later.

[palmfriend]

Hi,

went to action today and put the first three little babies in the ground. (sprouted last August)

Spot is under a shade cloth and wind protected, let's see how they will look in fall - update will

follow. 

best regards from Okinawa -

Lars

 

 

[PalmatierMeg]

Clinostigma are notoriously cold sensitive and hate my alkaline soil but I got this savoryanum from Floribunda, planted it in the jungle on the south side of the house and mulch it heavily. It's survived 2+ years. This is such a beautiful genus.

Clinostigma savoryanum, Cape Coral, FL, 2021

[WaianaeCrider]

On 4/9/2021 at 6:15 PM, WaianaeCrider said:

That was at  November 1st.  Here it is today 5 months later.

Update.   It somehow rotted out below the surface and died.

[palmfriend]

7 hours ago, WaianaeCrider said:

Update.   It somehow rotted out below the surface and died.

Too bad!

I would say - give it another try, It should be worth it!

I will check my babies tomorrow - at the moment it is right after midnight over here.

 

regards

 

Lars

 

[palmfriend]

Short update -

I lost one or two but have planted out another one in the meantime...

...and number two:

So, I would say that a certain (more developed) stage when planting out increases their chance to grow successfully. (at least under our conditions)

 

Lars

 

[Billeb]

On 1/8/2023 at 2:50 AM, WaianaeCrider said:

Update.   It somehow rotted out below the surface and died.

I cannot grow these for whatever reason. I’ve killed 2 from different growers. On my 3rd and final now and it’s super slow. Not even close to the speed others have claimed. 
 

Im not gonna murder it, but if I see a decline I’ll be done with the genus. 
 

-dale 

[Navarro]

3 hours ago, Billeb said:

No puedo cultivar estos por cualquier razón. He matado a 2 de diferentes cultivadores. En mi tercero y último ahora y es súper lento. Ni siquiera cerca de la velocidad que otros han reclamado. 
 

No lo mataré, pero si veo una disminución, terminaré con el género. 
 

-valle 

Miembros del foro en carlsbad o vista los han cultivado con temperaturas más marcadas que las tuyas que son más templadas ,cuál crees que ha sido el problema ?

[James B]

3 hours ago, Billeb said:

I cannot grow these for whatever reason. I’ve killed 2 from different growers. On my 3rd and final now and it’s super slow. Not even close to the speed others have claimed. 
 

Im not gonna murder it, but if I see a decline I’ll be done with the genus. 
 

-dale 

Dale, 

I think location will be key. I am inland not coastal so I can only comment on what I’ve seen in my yard. I’ve found it wants heat. In summer will push spears close to 1” a day and is a solid medium growth palm here due to our high heat. It is a palm that will slowly grow in winter but at a snails pace until May where it starts to wake up. I had 2 in my old yard that were trouble free. I have 4 that I will plant this year at the new place just waiting to see how it plays out. 

[Billeb]

1 minute ago, James B said:

Dale, 

I think location will be key. I am inland not coastal so I can only comment on what I’ve seen in my yard. I’ve found it wants heat. In summer will push spears close to 1” a day and is a solid medium growth palm here due to our high heat. It is a palm that will slowly grow in winter but at a snails pace until May where it starts to wake up. I had 2 in my old yard that were trouble free. I have 4 that I will plant this year at the new place just waiting to see how it plays out. 

Thanks James. I can probably plant it next to my house facing West but it will get blasted by the sun. That was my concern. Maybe the heat from the house will help it. Like I said….this is the last go at it. “If it dies….it dies.” 
 

-dale 

[James B]

2 minutes ago, Billeb said:

Thanks James. I can probably plant it next to my house facing West but it will get blasted by the sun. That was my concern. Maybe the heat from the house will help it. Like I said….this is the last go at it. “If it dies….it dies.” 
 

-dale 

Is there a spot where it’s under canopy of large palms like Archontophoenix where it gets some protection from the sun but will see filtered sun in the mid day and afternoon?

This is what I did in my old yard. It had some protection as well from the block wall on the west side of my yard(over time it would continue to grow above the wall more and more but still have the direct overhead protection due to canopy palms.

[-2 brian]

Dale,

You should be alright. where you're at with the sun. The one you've seen at my house does well, grows steadily. The corner where it's at faces south and west. While the house shaded it from afternoon sun when it was young it is now creeping up over the fence line and gets more sun. a few more feet taller and will get just about full day sun. If you start to notice it burn in the summer you can put up a temp shade cloth structure over it till it acclimates. Im sure it'll like the warmth on the west side of your place. Here are a couple of pics of mine as it's getting along. 

 

[Billeb]

2 hours ago, James B said:

Is there a spot where it’s under canopy of large palms like Archontophoenix where it gets some protection from the sun but will see filtered sun in the mid day and afternoon?

This is what I did in my old yard. It had some protection as well from the block wall on the west side of my yard(over time it would continue to grow above the wall more and more but still have the direct overhead protection due to canopy palms.

Not really to be honest. Both my front and backyards were dirt less than 2yrs ago so neither are showing the type of maturity needed to hide anything under canopy. The places that do have more mature trees that provide any type of cover have been littered with other plants / trees that require similar protection as the Clinostigma. 
 

I think I’m going to dig a couple of my planters bigger this spring so maybe then I can find an ideal location for this thing. 

2 hours ago, -2 brian said:

Dale,

You should be alright. where you're at with the sun. The one you've seen at my house does well, grows steadily. The corner where it's at faces south and west. …… If you start to notice it burn in the summer you can put up a temp shade cloth structure over it till it acclimates. Im sure it'll like the warmth on the west side of your place.

 

Totally. Yours seems to be in a perfect spot. It’s grown a lot since the first time I saw it in late 2020 or early 2021 sometime if I was to guess. I’d like to put it next to the house to see what happens. 
 

-dale 

[Rob123]

1 hour ago, Billeb said:

Not really to be honest. Both my front and backyards were dirt less than 2yrs ago so neither are showing the type of maturity needed to hide anything under canopy. The places that do have more mature trees that provide any type of cover have been littered with other plants / trees that require similar protection as the Clinostigma. 
 

I think I’m going to dig a couple of my planters bigger this spring so maybe then I can find an ideal location for this thing. 

Totally. Yours seems to be in a perfect spot. It’s grown a lot since the first time I saw it in late 2020 or early 2021 sometime if I was to guess. I’d like to put it next to the house to see what happens. 
 

-dale 

Dale, chuck it in as much sun as possible if you have a chance to do so! I’m 5 miles inland and mine never showed any sign of sunburn despite being planted out as a 5 gallon in full, all day sun without any nearby canopy. 

[James B]

4 hours ago, -2 brian said:

Dale,

You should be alright. where you're at with the sun. The one you've seen at my house does well, grows steadily. The corner where it's at faces south and west. While the house shaded it from afternoon sun when it was young it is now creeping up over the fence line and gets more sun. a few more feet taller and will get just about full day sun. If you start to notice it burn in the summer you can put up a temp shade cloth structure over it till it acclimates. Im sure it'll like the warmth on the west side of your place. Here are a couple of pics of mine as it's getting along. 

 

Nice to yours doing well Brian, looks great!

[Billeb]

4 hours ago, Rob123 said:

Dale, chuck it in as much sun as possible if you have a chance to do so! I’m 5 miles inland and mine never showed any sign of sunburn despite being planted out as a 5 gallon in full, all day sun without any nearby canopy. 

Wow! Good news. Maybe that’s due to the size?!?! Mine is still a large 1G but I’ll do it anyway. 🤙

-dale