Sabal Lisa seedlings

[mike-coral gables]

Hopefully Meg will see my post . I purchased these from Meg growing in a community pot . Stepped them up today and wondering how many may be Lisa’s ?? 

[Fusca]

6 hours ago, mike-coral gables said:

wondering how many may be Lisa’s ??

I'm going to guess 7 of the 16.  If I remember right I believe @PalmatierMeg said that roughly 40% of the seedlings will have the trait based on her experience.

[Missi]

@FishEyeAquaculture also grew a bunch of Lisas so maybe he can help.

[PalmatierMeg]

Some experts say Sabal Lisa germinations occurence is 20%. I have had up to 65% of germinations turn out lisoid, so I believe the occurence varies.

You can detect a possible Lisa variant in a strap leaf seedling this way: Run strap leaves lengthwise between your thumb and forefinger. Sabal Lisa strap leaves have a definite "cup" convexly rather than lie flat like normal leaves. As the palm grows that cup becomes more pronounced until the leaves roll almost into cylinders. When the plant produces adult leaves, the pinnae will be fused, not separate

Sabal Lisa Strap Leaves

[mike-coral gables]

Thanks all for your input ,based on Meg ‘s guidance I think maybe 8 of the 16 have curved strap leaf , hoping I’m correct ! 

[mike in kurtistown]

In January 2017, I acquired 20 seeds from a Sabal Lisa from a palmster in Tampa, Florida. I have 17 seedlings from that acquisition. My seedlings aren't as advanced as Meg's and I may have to wait a while longer to be sure, but I examined my seedlings using Meg's criteria. What strikes me is that some of the newer leaflets are rather wide, while others are narrower. The wider leaflets do appear to be cupped. On the narrow leaflets, it's hard to tell. Some appear flat, while others do appear a little cupped. I suspect, based on limited present evidence, that I have over half Lisa seedlings. Here are what they look like, all in 1-gal pots, narrower leaflet seedlings to the rear:

 

Edited April 15, 2021 by mike in kurtistown
added more info

[fr8train]

On 4/15/2021 at 12:28 AM, mike in kurtistown said:

In January 2017, I acquired 20 seeds from a Sabal Lisa from a palmster in Tampa, Florida. I have 17 seedlings from that acquisition. My seedlings aren't as advanced as Meg's and I may have to wait a while longer to be sure, but I examined my seedlings using Meg's criteria. What strikes me is that some of the newer leaflets are rather wide, while others are narrower. The wider leaflets do appear to be cupped. On the narrow leaflets, it's hard to tell. Some appear flat, while others do appear a little cupped. I suspect, based on limited present evidence, that I have over half Lisa seedlings. Here are what they look like, all in 1-gal pots, narrower leaflet seedlings to the rear:

 

Any updates?

[LivistonaFan]

On 3/7/2023 at 8:16 AM, fr8train said:

Any updates?

@mike in kurtistown and @mike-coral gables  : Now that the plants with 'lisa characteristics should be clearly distinguishable from the others, were your assumptions from 3 years ago correct?

I myself have nine Sabal palmetto 'lisa seedlings and can recognize seedlings with "cup" leaves and flat leaves despite their small size. Is this already conclusive for telling them apart?

 

example for a seedling with "cup" leaves

 

example for a seedling with flat leaves:

[PalmatierMeg]

2 hours ago, LivistonaFan said:

@mike in kurtistown and @mike-coral gables  : Now that the plants with 'lisa characteristics should be clearly distinguishable from the others, were your assumptions from 3 years ago correct?

I myself have nine Sabal palmetto 'lisa seedlings and can recognize seedlings with "cup" leaves and flat leaves despite their small size. Is this already conclusive for telling them apart?

 

example for a seedling with "cup" leaves

 

example for a seedling with flat leaves:

A good sign but not a guarantee at that size. Give them more time esp. if you plan to sell or give them away. If not, the decision is yours whether to plant or not. Given your confusing zone situation I suggest you wait until next spring. If you keep them in zone 7 in pots protect or move them indoors when weather grows frigid. You don't want their root systems frozen solid multiple times.

[mike-coral gables]

Yes , mine are doing really well , have been planted for about 16 months now 

[tinman10101]

glad to see this more commonly dispersed in FL for future generations.