Butia seeds

[FornPalm]

Hello everyone, this year I have decided to try to grow Butia seeds, but I realize that the Butia that have not yet begun to give any spathe.  If I see old seeds from another year in the ground but at this point I don't see new ones this year or even the flowering.  The question is: do Butias give seeds every year ????  I have 3 in sight but none of them I see anything.

[Scott W]

From what I've seen once a palm is mature enough to flower it does so around the same time ever year, and usually will produce multiple bracts.  If there are seed present in the ground around it it may be that it just hasn't started flowering yet.

[FornPalm]

Thanks Scott W .... So I understood that Butias do not bloom in spring like Trachycarpus and Chamaerops do, that then they can bloom in any month of the year?

[Scott W]

1 hour ago, FornPalm said:

Thanks Scott W .... So I understood that Butias do not bloom in spring like Trachycarpus and Chamaerops do, that then they can bloom in any month of the year?

Your area of the world may be different, but many are blooming now where I live in Florida.

[Fusca]

In warmer areas Butia can flower multiple times in a year.  Hard to tell from the picture but if this is a commercial planting it's possible that the flowers were intentionally cut off because all of the fruit typically produced is quite messy (like Syagrus).

[kinzyjr]

We usually get 2-3 sets of flowers or fruit per year here and it can vary by time frame.  Right now, some have ripe fruit as well as another stalk of immature fruit.

[FornPalm]

16 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

We usually get 2-3 sets of flowers or fruit per year here and it can vary by time frame.  Right now, some have ripe fruit as well as another stalk of immature fruit.

Thanks to let me understand that you can still go out during the summer

These are planted in a garden but no new spathe has been cut, if not that they have not yet given symptoms of flowering.  I'll wait to see how you are saying if they come out later.  Here now in Valencia, Spain we enter the summer.

Edited June 23, 2021 by FornPalm

[FornPalm]

Hello everyone again .... He has just opened a spathe in one of the Butias that I said ... I did not see it the last time, but I just realized that it has a red flower, I thought that the Butias Odorata have totally yellow flowers, so what variety of Butia is the one that I uploaded in the previous photos ??? I upload photos of the flower to see if anyone knows the variety.

[TheMadScientist]

This could help add more information.   http://www.palmpedia.net/palmsforcal/Butia_odorata

[Fusca]

Butia are quite variable.  Check out this thread of habitat photos from Uruguay.  Post #25 shows one with yellow flowers next to one with red flowers.

https://www.palmtalk.org/forums/index.php?/topic/55626-butia-odorata-in-habitat-a-truly-incredible-experience/

 

[FornPalm]

I just read the link that TheMadScientist sent me .... Thank you. I have also read the whole forum thread conversation and I have come to the part of the flower in both colors. So I understand that this is Butia Orodata too. How curious?????

[Tyrone]

The seeds you said you saw that were old on the ground are probably still good to germinate. Butia seed can germinate years later. I’ve heard up to 5 years later but maybe even longer. 

My Butia odorata can flower and fruit at any time of the year from winter to summer. It doesn’t seem to have a fruiting season at all. 

[Laaz]

Most Butia seeds that have been on the ground for a while are no good & full of bugs.

[FornPalm]

3 hours ago, Tyrone said:

Las semillas que dijiste que viste que estaban viejas en el suelo probablemente aún estén buenas para germinar. La semilla de butia puede germinar años después. Escuché hasta 5 años después, pero tal vez incluso más. 

Mi Butia odorata puede florecer y fructificar en cualquier época del año, desde invierno hasta verano. No parece tener una temporada de fructificación en absoluto. 

I picked up a few, put them in a bag with perlite and heat.  So far I have not seen any come out but I think they have only been around for a short time.  They are going to do now 3 months

12 minutes ago, Laaz said:

La mayoría de las semillas de Butia que han estado en el suelo durante un tiempo no son buenas y están llenas de errores.

Time will tell me, I took them without expecting much from them. We'll see what happens

[Laaz]

Butia are very variable. I posted this a while back. These are seeds from a few butia's in my neighborhood...

 

[Laaz]

The smallest seed came from the largest tree.

[FornPalm]

Totally different, bigger and smaller ... What could it be ??? So we can also say that the red or yellow flowers are not different varieties but rather genetics of each Butia Odorata.