Mystery Palm Seed

[D. Morrowii]

A couple months back I received an order from Floribunda and in the packaging I found a loose seed hidden in the clumps of newspaper shreddings. I tossed it in a sort of catch all bag of germinating seeds and it sprouted! I tossed it in a 4” pot and the first leaf is reaching out of the pot (although sideways)

Just for fun any guesses what it is?

[PalmatierMeg]

Too early to tell except it is an adjacent germinator, so I will hazard a guess that it is probably a small seeded pinnate palm.

[D. Morrowii]

1 hour ago, PalmatierMeg said:

Too early to tell except it is an adjacent germinator, so I will hazard a guess that it is probably a small seeded pinnate palm.

Meg, hopefully I can keep it alive long enough to find out.
The flesh was all gone but the seed had a reddish tinge to it. It didn’t look like anything else Ive seen.

[PalmatierMeg]

Archo fruit is red. Some Ptychospermas are red.

[D. Morrowii]

The first leaves from this seed seem to be coming out in 3 pairs with others following behind. Maybe its not a palm? The stem certainly looks palmy.

[Frond-friend42]

Very interesting.  I think it is a palm but not of any genus I've grown.

[D. Morrowii]

2 hours ago, Frond-friend42 said:

Very interesting.  I think it is a palm but not of any genus I've grown.

Ok well the mystery continues then! Its growing at pretty good pace so maybe more clues next month :-)

[Fusca]

6 hours ago, D. Morrowii said:

The first leaves from this seed seem to be coming out in 3 pairs with others following behind. Maybe its not a palm? The stem certainly looks palmy.

Could it be Dypsis leptocheilos?  First juvenile leaves open up pinnate and it's an adjacent germinator with a very similar looking seed.  Here is one of my seedlings germinated last year.

 

[Frond-friend42]

15 minutes ago, Fusca said:

Could it be Dypsis leptocheilos?  First juvenile leaves open up pinnate and it's an adjacent germinator with a very similar looking seed.  Here is one of my seedlings germinated last year.

 

I have been growing simple bifid seedlings, which I thought were leptocheilos. Now I'm wondering if the are lastellianas.

[D. Morrowii]

1 hour ago, Fusca said:

Could it be Dypsis leptocheilos?  First juvenile leaves open up pinnate and it's an adjacent germinator with a very similar looking seed.  Here is one of my seedlings germinated last year.

 

Its possible but Ill have to wait a bit longer to find out I guess. 

[D. Morrowii]

@Frond-friend42

If it helps this one is Dypsis lastelliana. 

[Fusca]

1 hour ago, Frond-friend42 said:

I have been growing simple bifid seedlings, which I thought were leptocheilos. Now I'm wondering if the are lastellianas.

Lastellianas look just like leptocheilos as newly germinated seedlings but the seed for lastelliana is much larger.

[Frond-friend42]

Yet another mystery it seems. Darn. I was excited to have some teddies or reds, from seeds I gathered under a tree withe reddish-brown crownshaft. Back to the principal mystery:

11 hours ago, D. Morrowii said:

The first leaves from this seed seem to be coming out in 3 pairs with others following behind. Maybe its not a palm? The stem certainly looks palmy.  

We'll see how that opens up.

[D. Morrowii]

Still growing, 2 leafs open and what looks like a 3rd forming on the outside? Closest to anything I have is Dypsis lastelliana but the mystery seedling looks less symmetrical.    

[PalmatierMeg]

I would guess Dypsis leptocheilos or lastelliana. Chamaedorea elegans also germinates pinnate leaves as do Rhopaloblaste spp (I think)

[D. Morrowii]

1 hour ago, PalmatierMeg said:

I would guess Dypsis leptocheilos or lastelliana. Chamaedorea elegans also germinates pinnate leaves as do Rhopaloblaste spp (I think)

Meg, I think you're correct, Dypsis leptochelios is probably the one. I looked up the others you mentioned and Chamaedoria elegans looks very close too but the stems are very light colored in the pics I found. Same with lastelliana. The stem on this one is short and dark green with some spots. Maybe these traits vary though.

[D. Morrowii]

This guy is still chugging along. It looks considerably different from the D. lastelliana seedlings I have. There is quite a bit of tomentum showing up on the leaf bases. Does D. leptocheilos start to show tomentum earlier than lastelliana? 

[Little Tex]

Very nice, I think it looks more like a howea then a dyspis. 

[D. Morrowii]

Do Howea start out pinnate? I’ve never grown one. I think it looks pretty close to what fusca posted with the darker stem. I’m still leaning leptocheilos 

[Little Tex]

2 minutes ago, D. Morrowii said:

Do Howea start out pinnate? I’ve never grown one. I think it looks pretty close to what fusca posted with the darker stem. I’m still leaning leptocheilos 

I'm pretty sure Kentia do. 

[richnorm]

Seed all wrong for Howea.  Great mystery though.