Backyard and Front yard Palms (Bizzies, Sabals, Washies, CIDP, and Chamaerops

[CiprianS]

I am creating this topic to keep track of my current backyard palms. On the side of the house only the two Riverside are visible from these photos. Actually, there are eleven palms there, an extra nine palmettos are not visible although two of them are bigger but being exactly behind the Riversides they are not visible even though they are bigger than the other seven.

I tried to catch almost the same angles for the palms. I bought the Bizzies with 4 fronds each, now one of them has 8 fronds open and two spears and the other one has 6 fronds open and 3 spears. I have avoided to cut any of their fronds until now even if some of them look that they need to. 

My Chamaerops is the most impressive... it was almost all brown in the first photos, now it looks more dark green. I am impressed by this recovery. 

It is going to be funny to watch them and I will keep refreshing this topic with photos from time to time.

May 31st and June 1st photos

Photos from today, September 19th

[CiprianS]

I just took a photo also of the eleven Sabals where I have them put in two rows. Some of the are barely visible but as I said in my previous post, it will be interesting to see them again in a few months to track their growth.

 

[CiprianS]

It seems that I have an issue with the last Sabal Palmetto from the row closer to the fence. The last spear seems to be yellow but its base is green. Also, as I am looking at its last leaf, it is something weird with its base, just like its rotting. Can someone tell what this might be? Since I planted this one it did not have any issues and I think it pushed three spears that became nice palmate leaves but now I don't  know what is happening to it. Below are the photos with it.

And no, I did not cut it with the trimmer or something like that, whenever I mow my wife is holding the leaves with some tree spikes. Two weeks ago when I mowed last time (because I noticed this earlier when I was mowing)  the new spear was not there and the one that seems to be rotting was fine. 

Edited October 13, 2021 by CiprianS

[CiprianS]

Since these days the temperatures will drop to about 29-30 degrees in my area and I will be getting also some freezing rain I said that I need to protect my front yard Canaries and also the back yard Bizzies.

Since the temperature will not drop that bad, I won't wrap them up with the lights, I will only put them at their base as they are in the photos below. I am just afraid that I will burn them if I wrap them up. The idea is that I just want them to give a few degrees of heat to keep them above freezing temperature.

Do you think my plan will keep my four (4) palms that I am covering safe? The rest, I will leave them as they are. The Mediterranean handled the February 2021 winter storm good, I was the one that almost killed it with my crown watering before. The Filifera should be fine and also the Sabals. If some of those will die then that's it, I have a lot others that are waiting for a spot in the ground. 29-30 degrees Fahrenheit should be nothing for the Mediterranean, Filifera, Sabal Palmetto and Sabal Riverside. 

Below are my Canaries how they were, how they are wrapped up and with the lights at their base. Tomorrow I will also cover them with some contractor plastic bags so that I protect them from the freezing rain. Hopefully, as I said, the lights from the base will give a few degrees there inside to keep them safe. I will also put the box from the lights that I have 175 W will give a lot of heat, I plugged them in and I was seeing 108 degrees when I was getting their temperature with an IR thermometer that I use for the air vents from the HVAC system. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Below are the Bizzies, I will just put on top of them something that I got last year from Amazon that I ordered for my citrus trees but got to me too late and they died from the February winter storm. I hope I am not breaking any rule by posting this link, I don't have anything to do with that seller, if I break any rule then please delete the link. I tested it and it seems that it is water proof so I hope it will be fine.

I will cover them tomorrow, now I have only put the lights at their base. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Billeb]

Good luck. I actually travelled to Dallas from my home in Southern California today for work. Gonna be rough for palm trees around these parts tomorrow. Again, good luck with your venture. 
 

-dale

[CiprianS]

In my area it should not be that bad, Dallas will be hit pretty bad but thank you. I am done with wrapping since the forecast was showing rain and the temperature real feel later tonight will be for freezing. Now I just wish that this whole damn cold front will go away and that's it. I will take some photos tomorrow with them wrapped up.

[Little Tex]

Did the Bizzies make it?

[CiprianS]

Yes, they did.

Below is how I had them wrapped up.

From left to right: Filifera, Bizzy, Mediterranean, Bizzy, and Filifera. Only the Bizzies had lights left exactly as in the posts above, the rest of the palms were only covered.

And below are also the Canaries which had no issues at all neither.

 

[CiprianS]

Below are the photos taken today after I mowed my lawn with the Bizzies. I wanted to fertilize all of my palms today but the weather shows that a 33-34 F will be on Saturday or Sunday so I said no to fertilizing for now. Once I start doing it, once per month I will use Palmgain since I got a 50 lbs bag for this season.  

 

[CiprianS]

I was busy these weeks... I used some edge stones to make some small perimeters for my bigger palms. But, now I have an issue. I can't do the same for my Mediterranean Palm since it is sitting in a hole there. When I planted it, the soil was leveled with the rest but I had some roots there probably from some old trees that decomposed and the soil just sank.

Anyway, the Mediterranean is one of the three survivors that I had after the February 2021 but I feel like I need to replant it higher than it is currently standing. If I do this I will be able to do a nice perimeter with the edge stones and after that also put some marble stones there as I did with the rest of the palms. In all 2020 and 2019 since I planted it, it stagnated and went into decline. After the freeze, finally its spears sprouted and opened. Now it is also opening its spears.

Will I kill it if I remove it and replant it higher in the same location? Or will I just send it again in hibernation for another 1-2 years and watch how it grows spears but never opens them? I am thinking that it stagnated like that because it never adapted to being in a hole as it sits right now. Can you guys give me any ideas? Because if I want to replant it higher the window is now, not in the summer when I will die digging there and also the palm will be in the scorching Houston heat trying to adapt again.

 

[Chester B]

That’s a pretty small Chamaerops. I’ve moved them at that size and saw no noticeable slow down in growth if you get a good rootball. 

[CiprianS]

On 4/19/2022 at 4:46 PM, Chester B said:

That’s a pretty small Chamaerops. I’ve moved them at that size and saw no noticeable slow down in growth if you get a good rootball. 

It's good to hear this. I bought some soil today, I got my landscape rocks for the edging and the marble rocks. Tomorrow I will take out the Chamaerops and replant it higher.

One of my Bizzies opened the first leaf of the season.  I put all of my palms on a crazy fertilization schedule, 4-6 weeks between fertilizations as it says on the label on Palmgain. I am already on the second fertilization this season that I applied last weekend.  

In late autumn both of my Bizzies opened one new leaf each and their petioles were touching the ground. Now, those leafs have the same height as the other ones, they kept on growing in all of this time. I read somewhere in a topic about this happening to some other people and I did not worry about it.  Again, thank you Palmtalk for this precious info that is here.  

 

[CiprianS]

I was long due with replanting this Chamaerops higher but finally I have done it. The poor guy did not even have big roots, it has been three years almost since I planted him and it seems that it has suffered a lot in all of this time since it did not even grow big roots there. I will wait for the soil to dry up a day or two and after that I will also put the marble rocks there in its perimeter as I have done with the other ones.

 

[CiprianS]

It has been a while since I have last posted here, it seems that one of my small Sabal Palmetto has something on its leaves. Does anyone know what is this and if it needs to be treated? Is it some kind of scaling or something like that?

 

[CiprianS]

My backyard at night... I have just taken this photo.

Edited September 5, 2022 by CiprianS

[CiprianS]

I guess I make Canaries happy since they grow well in my front yard. I will need to make their rounds bigger since their trunks got bigger in width compared to when I planted them. I got two (2) of them last year from San Antonio Lowe's and I planted them on May 6th and 7th 2021. Below are the photos with them.

June 28, 2021

September 5, 2022

Edited September 6, 2022 by CiprianS

[CiprianS]

Are those flowers on one of my two CIDPs?

 

 

 

 

[KsLouisiana]

On 10/24/2022 at 3:47 PM, CiprianS said:

Are those flowers on one of my two CIDPs?

 

 

 

 

They look great! How are your bismarcks doing now? I have one in the ground in Lake Charles and it's growing so fast! 

[CiprianS]

@KsLouisiana you can see them below, I just took some photos since you asked.

[CiprianS]

32 minutes ago, KsLouisiana said:

They look great! How are your bismarcks doing now? I have one in the ground in Lake Charles and it's growing so fast! 

Thank you! Look at my above post, I have just taken those photos.

Edited October 30, 2022 by CiprianS

[KsLouisiana]

Nice! They look amazing. I have one that basically it's twin. 

[KsLouisiana]

 

[CiprianS]

12 minutes ago, KsLouisiana said:

Nice! They look amazing. I have one that basically it's twin. 

Yours looks great, too. Is that a photo from today that you posted? I think I remember when you planted it. I have always complained that mine don’t grow as the ones from Florida and California. 

Edited October 30, 2022 by CiprianS

[KsLouisiana]

20 minutes ago, CiprianS said:

Yours looks great, too. Is that a photo from today that you posted? I think I remember when you planted it. I have always complained that mine don’t grow as the ones from Florida and California. 

Thanks. Yeah it was just now. Probably great at least 10 leaves this year. And doubled in height.  I still always look for that one at Lowes in webster. 

[KsLouisiana]

Also I just got a little CIDP.  I couldn't find anything bigger in LC. So I decided I'll just save a few bucks and grow it up in a pot for a while. I wonder how long it will take to get to where yours are.

[CiprianS]

3 minutes ago, KsLouisiana said:

Also I just got a little CIDP.  I couldn't find anything bigger in LC. So I decided I'll just save a few bucks and grow it up in a pot for a while. I wonder how long it will take to get to where yours are.

3 years maximum if you plant it in the ground next spring. 

[KsLouisiana]

2 minutes ago, CiprianS said:

3 years maximum if you plant it in the ground next spring. 

That doesn't sound too bad at all. Thanks man!

[KsLouisiana]

7 minutes ago, CiprianS said:

 

Do they grow in the winter at all? I know they grow them in cold climates like the UK

Edited October 30, 2022 by KsLouisiana

[CiprianS]

14 minutes ago, KsLouisiana said:

That doesn't sound too bad at all. Thanks man!

In my experience with them, if you feed and water them they will grow like crazy. I had two 6 gallon ones that died at the freeze from February 2020 and they grew very fast compared to these two that I have. That is why I am saying to plant them outside next spring and in 3 years they will be as mine are now. 

10 minutes ago, KsLouisiana said:

Do they grow in the winter at all? I know they grow them in cold climates like the UK

Mine are growing also in the winter. I was looking at my previous ones how they kept on growing in November and December, too. Once they get established in ground they will keep on growing. Now this does not mean that they will grow when the temperatures are in the 40s.  

My Sabals, Bizzies, Washies, they all seem to stop growing in the winter, except for the Canaries that keep on growing as a comparison.

Edited October 30, 2022 by CiprianS

[KsLouisiana]

12 minutes ago, CiprianS said:

In my experience with them, if you feed and water them they will grow like crazy. I had two 6 gallon ones that died at the freeze from February 2020 and they grew very fast compared to these two that I have. That is why I am saying to plant them outside next spring and in 3 years they will be as mine are now. 

Mine are growing also in the winter. I was looking at my previous ones how they kept on growing in November and December, too. Once they get established in ground they will keep on growing. Now this does not mean that they will grow when the temperatures are in the 40s.  

My Sabals, Bizzies, Washies, they all seem to stop growing in the winter, except for the Canaries that keep on growing as a comparison.

Okay great to know. Thank you for all the info. We have a lot of the same plants. You have excellent taste in palms

[CiprianS]

@KsLouisiana you’re welcome! I just tried to have cold proof palms but I could not resist the temptation to also have some Bizzies and the Canaries that I like so much. No more Pigmy Date Palms for me. I just received another 3 covers for my palms so if needed I will cover my Canaries, Bizzies and the bigger Washies. 

[KsLouisiana]

2 hours ago, CiprianS said:

@KsLouisiana you’re welcome! I just tried to have cold proof palms but I could not resist the temptation to also have some Bizzies and the Canaries that I like so much. No more Pigmy Date Palms for me. I just received another 3 covers for my palms so if needed I will cover my Canaries, Bizzies and the bigger Washies. 

Yeah I get it. I haven't seen a CIDP ever die from cold here. But yes pygmy date palms...but then I go to New Orleans and see giant queen palms and Pygmy Dates and get the itch. Queens are fast and easy to replace I guess. 

[CiprianS]

@KsLouisiana I guess I was one of the only ones that lost CIDP due to the weather.  I have a Pygmy but it is potted so whenever there is bad weather, I will just move it in the garage and that's it. It will never go into the ground. Regarding the queens, too many of them died around during the 2020 February freeze so I won't risk with them. Plus, I ran out of space, I am just thinking right now that in the spring I will plant 2 Pindo Palms on one of the sides of my driveway.  

[Foxpalms]

On 10/30/2022 at 8:19 PM, CiprianS said:

In my experience with them, if you feed and water them they will grow like crazy. I had two 6 gallon ones that died at the freeze from February 2020 and they grew very fast compared to these two that I have. That is why I am saying to plant them outside next spring and in 3 years they will be as mine are now. 

Mine are growing also in the winter. I was looking at my previous ones how they kept on growing in November and December, too. Once they get established in ground they will keep on growing. Now this does not mean that they will grow when the temperatures are in the 40s.  

My Sabals, Bizzies, Washies, they all seem to stop growing in the winter, except for the Canaries that keep on growing as a comparison.

In the UK (central London) where the average winter high (Jan) is in the high 40s-low 50s and the low is in the low 40s they grow all winter just much slower than in the summer. So I'm surprised they don't grow in the 40s for you. I'm not sure if they go dormant in the north of the UK in the winter but they definitely don't in the south. Only things that go dormant in the south are more topical palms such as queen's and other palms that need lots of heat to grow. Washingtonia also still grow here in the winter. Sabals and Bismarckia don't however grow in the winter they go dormant.