Sabal Minor

[Tennessee Palms]

This is one of the smaller Sabal Minors in my collection and it's a Florida variant. It's probably impossible to verify the exact strain but anyway, how likely is it to flower next year? I know that some variants flower immediately after they open their first mature frond. 

 

[Allen]

Probably take 2-3 more years.  Should do well there

[Tennessee Palms]

Here it is again this afternoon

[Appalachian Palms]

Possibly 2 or 3 more years and almost impossible to identify the strain.  As a Tennessean I thought you might enjoy seeing a 5 generation Sabal Minor originally started by Tennessee's Palm Godfather,  the late Mr. Charles Cole from 1960 in Quebec, Tennessee 

Edited October 4, 2021 by Appalachian Palms
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[L.A.M.]

Has anyone else seen or at least heard about the wild Hardin County, TN Sabal minor population? Even I hadn't known until last night, although I wasn't surprised. I was expecting them to be in Marion, Bradley or Polk County rather than Hardin County, but that was on the basis of their presence around Weiss Lake in Alabama and Georgia and the fact that they probably wouldn't go unnoticed in Shelby or Hamilton County. I already knew that we have nearly identical ecology, climatology and geology to parts of their native range with no obstacle to prevent their natural entry, not to mention them being native to Oklahoma and probably Virginia and close to Tennessee in four separate states (Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Arkansas). Unlike the Oklahoma and Virginia dwarf palmettos, the Tennessee ones are even in plain sight; someone else made a thread about it, too.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.138441,-88.2522552,3a,50.4y,164.06h,70.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLQiHGGURGiyaDLjPEB0XaQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[Allen]

What's the google link supposed to show and where are the pics of the wild population?  Looks like the google link shows some minors in a planter?

[Allen]

1 hour ago, L.A.M. said:

Has anyone else seen or at least heard about the wild Hardin County, TN Sabal minor population? Even I hadn't known until last night, although I wasn't surprised. I was expecting them to be in Marion, Bradley or Polk County rather than Hardin County, but that was on the basis of their presence around Weiss Lake in Alabama and Georgia and the fact that they probably wouldn't go unnoticed in Shelby or Hamilton County. I already knew that we have nearly identical ecology, climatology and geology to parts of their native range with no obstacle to prevent their natural entry, not to mention them being native to Oklahoma and probably Virginia and close to Tennessee in four separate states (Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Arkansas). Unlike the Oklahoma and Virginia dwarf palmettos, the Tennessee ones are even in plain sight; someone else made a thread about it, too.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.138441,-88.2522552,3a,50.4y,164.06h,70.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLQiHGGURGiyaDLjPEB0XaQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

To me this is not a wild population that is shown in the google link

[L.A.M.]

34 minutes ago, Allen said:

To me this is not a wild population that is shown in the google link

If you go back in the street view to 2008, you'll see that they weren't there unless they were mere saplings. By the time they were visible in 2013, the area was suspiciously poorly maintained for them to be planted there; both the raised flowerbed and the building nearby looked abandoned. Ever since then, the cinder blocks at the edges of the flowerbed seem to have been falling down one by one, which is a further sign of chronic dereliction. I agree with @Tennessee Palms; I suspect that they germinated naturally shortly after the place was abandoned, with the siting being coincidental. A bird may well have brought them from northeastern Mississippi or a more hidden undocumented Tennessee (or northwestern Alabama) population; it's not that far, and there were two initially. The other seeds it took probably would've been washed through the culvert after landing in the ditch.

The matter was initially discussed in this thread. 

Edited September 23, 2022 by L.A.M.

[Allen]

11 minutes ago, L.A.M. said:

If you go back in the street view to 2008, you'll see that they weren't there unless they were mere saplings. By the time they were visible in 2013, the area was suspiciously poorly maintained for them to be planted there; both the raised flowerbed and the building nearby looked abandoned. Ever since then, the cinder blocks at the edges of the flowerbed seem to have been falling down one by one, which is a further sign of chronic dereliction. I agree with @Tennessee Palms; I suspect that they germinated naturally shortly after the place was abandoned, with the siting being coincidental. A bird may well have brought them from northeastern Mississippi or a more hidden undocumented Tennessee (or northwestern Alabama) population; it's not that far, and there were two initially. The other seeds it took probably would've been washed through the culvert after landing in the ditch.

So the TN wild minor population just magically got placed in a planter by the road?  Not in the 1000's of other square miles around it.  Come on get real.  

[L.A.M.]

Just because we don't see the other Hardin County palmettos in plain sight doesn't mean that they aren't there. We don't have that fortune with the Oklahoma and Virginia ones, and it's a rare sight even in Arkansas and North Carolina where they're more widespread. The OP of the thread I linked to even said that there are more seedlings on both sides of the road.

Edited September 23, 2022 by L.A.M.

[WSimpson]

I'm thinking it'll  flower in in the summer  after next summer .

Will

[Leelanau Palms]

Any updates on these palms?