Palm Babies in Beaverton Oregon

[MarkbVet]

While holed up for winter, I'm accumulating some small palms for future plantings...  have quite a few that arrived recently.  Seedlings up to 3 gallon pots.   Just sharing baby pics lol.  Apologize in advance for some having low pixel density; had to take pics on phone and email them,  server only allows a certain amount of data per email, limiting picture density/quality.   But the plants are visible enough...   happy growing!   Pics include 2 B. armatas,   N. ritchiana (love how silver it is, even as a seedling),  and Washingtonia filibusta hybrid.

[MarkbVet]

a better quality pic of the Brahea armata....  :-)

[teddytn]

@MarkbVet jealous of that nannorrhops ritchiana! 

[Las Palmas Norte]

Very Nice.  You're not kiddin' ... that Nannorrops is silver. 

[Hutch]

Nice looking ....

[Chester B]

That Nannorrhops is crazy silver. That will definitely stand out in the collection. 
 

It’s going to be a bit of a tough grow that’s why I’ve never got one. My suggestion is mound plant it and plan on rain protection during winter. 

[NWpalms@206]

Very cool, that’s what I’m doing as well. Stocking up on young palms at the moment for a mass planting of a couple dozen, maybe spring 2023. Then let the 8b hybrids experiment begin. Moultrie super palms next to arrive Monday. Excited for those. 

[MarkbVet]

2 hours ago, Chester B said:

That Nannorrhops is crazy silver. That will definitely stand out in the collection. 
 

It’s going to be a bit of a tough grow that’s why I’ve never got one. My suggestion is mound plant it and plan on rain protection during winter. 

It will remain in pot (larger pot lol) with good draining soil, until I move to So. Oregon a few years down the road; there I'll have long hot summers, drier winters (only 20 ish inches of rain yearly, true Mediterranean climate).   I hope that with some years of growth under its belt, and that drier area, that it can eventually live unprotected, just like my Brahea armata, Washingtonia,  and Chilean Wine Palm.   Wishing at least....   

[MarkbVet]

1 hour ago, NWpalms@206 said:

Very cool, that’s what I’m doing as well. Stocking up on young palms at the moment for a mass planting of a couple dozen, maybe spring 2023. Then let the 8b hybrids experiment begin. Moultrie super palms next to arrive Monday. Excited for those. 

Tell me more about those!   :-)

[NWpalms@206]

28 minutes ago, MarkbVet said:

Tell me more about those!   :-)

The Super Mules?! They come from Frank and Elaine Lewis At Moultrie palms in Florida… St. Augustine I believe. They have created their signature “Super Mule” that is (BxJ)xB)xQ or (JxB)xB)xQ) don’t remember which. And they are Dr. Wilcox genetics which seem to be a very respected source.  They claim to be superior hardiness to the XButigrus mule (BxQ). Some say that’s up for debate but they look great and the “hybrid math” adds up to a pretty hardy specimen. And Elaine was so nice, multiple calls back very polite and helpful. Frank went to deliver them to me in a storm... their last shipment until after the first. As far as the palms they come tomorrow and time will tell. But the experience with Moultrie was 5/5 would highly recommend them. Check out their website Moultriepalms.com.  I’ll get two more after they begin shipping again. 

[MarkbVet]

Yes I think I glanced at their site at one point... seemed they (or someone else?) had some (BXJ)xB maybe too?  But sounded like it would mostly look like a Butia so I didn't pursue it.  With the queen genes added in,   would probably look unique,  and maybe not lose too much hardiness.  Wish the cross was BXQ first, then cross with Jubaea or Butia again, to further dilute the queen palm genes (maybe more hardy).  Will be fun to see how yours do....your maritime weather influence makes it wet, but slightly warmer zone than my 8a.  Doesn't seem like they know how hardy their plants are yet... but at least they grow fast (In Florida).  Gotta be hardier than straight queen palm!   Happy growing!

Edited December 19, 2021 by MarkbVet

[MarkbVet]

1 hour ago, MarkbVet said:

Yes I think I glanced at their site at one point... seemed they (or someone else?) had some (BXJ)xB maybe too?  But sounded like it would mostly look like a Butia so I didn't pursue it.  With the queen genes added in,   would probably look unique,  and maybe not lose too much hardiness.  Wish the cross was BXQ first, then cross with Jubaea or Butia again, to further dilute the queen palm genes (maybe more hardy).  Will be fun to see how yours do....your maritime weather influence makes it wet, but slightly warmer zone than my 8a.  Doesn't seem like they know how hardy their plants are yet... but at least they grow fast (In Florida).  Gotta be hardier than straight queen palm!   Happy growing!

Guess they couldn't do B x Q first, as the mules are sterile lol.  Maybe (BxJ) x Q  x B would work, or maybe once the queen palm genes are introduced, all offspring will be sterile-- hence their doing the queen cross last. 

[MarkbVet]

Hmm, big trunks, fast growing... if yours do ok, I gotta get me one! 

[Paradise Found]

9 hours ago, NWpalms@206 said:

 Moultrie super palms next to arrive Monday. Excited for those. 

Their one gallons are nice size palms and ready to go in the ground come spring.  Pic's please!

Edited December 20, 2021 by Paradise Found

[Paradise Found]

NWPALMS,  Nice group of exotic Palms they'll give you the tropical look in no time. 

Edited December 20, 2021 by Paradise Found

[Chester B]

I’d much prefer to see a s (BxJ)xJ)xS if it is all possible. I think more Jubaea is better. 

[MarkbVet]

I'd play devil's advocate and say... Butia= more wet tolerance (and speed of growth), especially if they could add B. eriospatha?   Both are fairly cold hardy though, and Jubaea is bigger!

[Chester B]

2 minutes ago, MarkbVet said:

I'd play devil's advocate and say... Butia= more wet tolerance (and speed of growth), especially if they could add B. eriospatha?   Both are fairly cold hardy though, and Jubaea is bigger!

I don’t have a horse in the race but many people believe Jubaea is more cold tolerant. Speed seems to be about even in our climate, and Jubaea seems to handle our wet winters just fine.
 

With all this rain this year I’m expecting a lot of spotting on the Butias. Wish the rain would just shut the F off. It’s screwing up my fishing as well. Swollen rivers and terrible crabbing. 

[MarkbVet]

11 minutes ago, Chester B said:

I don’t have a horse in the race but many people believe Jubaea is more cold tolerant. Speed seems to be about even in our climate, and Jubaea seems to handle our wet winters just fine.
 

With all this rain this year I’m expecting a lot of spotting on the Butias. Wish the rain would just shut the F off. It’s screwing up my fishing as well. Swollen rivers and terrible crabbing. 

Nice to hear!   My B. odorata is growing fairly fast (south exposure, lots of summer water and fertilizer) so I'd be thrilled if Jubaea grows as fast!   Do you have Jubaeas out in weather here unprotected (please say yes!)  

[MarkbVet]

18 minutes ago, Chester B said:

I don’t have a horse in the race but many people believe Jubaea is more cold tolerant. Speed seems to be about even in our climate, and Jubaea seems to handle our wet winters just fine.
 

With all this rain this year I’m expecting a lot of spotting on the Butias. Wish the rain would just shut the F off. It’s screwing up my fishing as well. Swollen rivers and terrible crabbing. 

Hmmm, your picture's changed...you look different somehow, can't put my finger on it... 

[Chester B]

Yes I have a couple Jubaeas outside. @Hutch has far more impressive specimens than me. I have seen photos of others in Portland in private gardens that are a decent size as well. 
 

Plus there are photos in here of some larger ones in Seattle. 
 

I am currently growing out some Blue ones from California. Right now I can’t tell the difference from the standard but it may take time for it to show up. 

Edited December 20, 2021 by Chester B

[MarkbVet]

very nice!  No protection from rain in winter?   Thanks for your input!!

1 hour ago, Chester B said:

I don’t have a horse in the race but many people believe Jubaea is more cold tolerant. Speed seems to be about even in our climate, and Jubaea seems to handle our wet winters just fine.
 

With all this rain this year I’m expecting a lot of spotting on the Butias. Wish the rain would just shut the F off. It’s screwing up my fishing as well. Swollen rivers and terrible crabbing. 

Hmmm, your picture's changed...you look different somehow, can't put my finger on it... 

[MarkbVet]

25 minutes ago, Chester B said:

Yes I have a couple Jubaeas outside. @Hutch has far more impressive specimens than me. I have seen photos of others in Portland in private gardens that are a decent size as well. 
 

Plus there are photos in here of some larger ones in Seattle. 
 

I am currently growing out some Blue ones from California. Right now I can’t tell the difference from the standard but it may take time for it to show up. 

Very nice!  Any protection from the rain?  Thanks for your reply!  Mmmm the blue ones may have infusion of some other genes, I've heard... Maybe Butia?

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by MarkbVet

[Chester B]

No protection from the rain. 
 

Blue ones as far as I know are plain Jubaea, just some natural variation. Our friends down in SoCal collect the seeds and distribute, and grow them too.

From the pictures it seems like they have a bluish tinge but not full on icy blue like some Butia.  

Edited December 20, 2021 by Chester B

[Fallen Munk]

12 hours ago, MarkbVet said:

Very nice!  Any protection from the rain?  

 

I'm down in Salem and mine love the rain.

 

[NWpalms@206]

17 hours ago, Paradise Found said:

Their one gallons are nice size palms and ready to go in the ground come spring.  Pic's please!

They got delayed a day, bummer. By some weather im sure... the downside to shipping palms at christmas i guess. pics tomorrow!

 

[MarkbVet]

18 hours ago, Chester B said:

No protection from the rain. 
 

Blue ones as far as I know are plain Jubaea, just some natural variation. Our friends down in SoCal collect the seeds and distribute, and grow them too.

From the pictures it seems like they have a bluish tinge but not full on icy blue like some Butia.  

Great to hear... these are beautiful palms, we're lucky to be able to grow them here.   Harder to find pinnate cold hardy palms compared to the palmate species.  Resources like you make me very happy to have joined this site!  I've already gotten more solid growing info in a week or two than I had in months leading up to this. 

4 hours ago, NWpalms@206 said:

They got delayed a day, bummer. By some weather im sure... the downside to shipping palms at christmas i guess. pics tomorrow!

 

 

[Chester B]

1 minute ago, MarkbVet said:

Great to hear... these are beautiful palms, we're lucky to be able to grow them here.   Harder to find pinnate cold hardy palms compared to the palmate species.  Resources like you make me very happy to have joined this site!  I've already gotten more solid growing info in a week or two than I had in months leading up to this. 

That's great.  If you are looking for another hardy pinnate palm, Chamadorea radicalis is great understory palm.

[MarkbVet]

I assume you have this palm as well (seems like you have every palm lol).  Will look into it!  I'd looked into this one when I saw it at Cistus, but ended up being unsure of zone 8 hardiness; cistus said it was hardy, some other sources said zone 9,  Sean at Cistus said 'yeah, it may need some winter protection' , so I held off getting it so far.   Am thinking about getting a 15 gallon Jubaea from OregonPalms this spring; any thoughts on other sources in the area? 

Edited December 21, 2021 by MarkbVet

[MarkbVet]

On 12/19/2021 at 9:02 AM, Chester B said:

That Nannorrhops is crazy silver. That will definitely stand out in the collection. 
 

It’s going to be a bit of a tough grow that’s why I’ve never got one. My suggestion is mound plant it and plan on rain protection during winter. 

Any experience with Trithrinax campestris?  I may have a line on a 2 gallon plant, if shipping + plant isn't too spendy.  I suspect good cold hardiness but not as tolerant of winter wet...  another one to keep potted until I move south.  

[Chester B]

58 minutes ago, MarkbVet said:

I assume you have this palm as well (seems like you have every palm lol).  Will look into it!  I'd looked into this one when I saw it at Cistus, but ended up being unsure of zone 8 hardiness; cistus said it was hardy, some other sources said zone 9,  Sean at Cistus said 'yeah, it may need some winter protection' , so I held off getting it so far.   Am thinking about getting a 15 gallon Jubaea from OregonPalms this spring; any thoughts on other sources in the area? 

Yes Chamaedorea like a sheltered spot but I find radicalis are tougher than microspadix. 

I think their prices are fair for the Jubaeas.  I bought a couple of nice Chamaerops humilis cerifera from him a couple years back.

23 minutes ago, MarkbVet said:

Any experience with Trithrinax campestris?  I may have a line on a 2 gallon plant, if shipping + plant isn't too spendy.  I suspect good cold hardiness but not as tolerant of winter wet...  another one to keep potted until I move south.  

Some people have had good luck with these in the PNW.  They seem to be the most tolerant Trithrinax for our wet winters, from what I hear.  I have T acanthacoma that I'm planting out next year, I got a great deal on it so its worth a shot to me.

[MarkbVet]

2 hours ago, Chester B said:

Yes Chamaedorea like a sheltered spot but I find radicalis are tougher than microspadix. 

I think their prices are fair for the Jubaeas.  I bought a couple of nice Chamaerops humilis cerifera from him a couple years back.

Some people have had good luck with these in the PNW.  They seem to be the most tolerant Trithrinax for our wet winters, from what I hear.  I have T acanthacoma that I'm planting out next year, I got a great deal on it so its worth a shot to me.

Yes I saw that Raintree had T. acanthacoma (nice size) but didnt' get it...yet.  Spent plenty on my first trip there as it was hehe.   Will look forward to hearing how yours does, though I may pick one up prior to your planting. 

Edited December 21, 2021 by MarkbVet

[NWpalms@206]

On 12/19/2021 at 6:59 PM, Paradise Found said:

Their one gallons are nice size palms and ready to go in the ground come spring.  Pic's please!

Super mules arrived happy and healthy, big and almost root bound on the 1gal. Perfect! Got new home in 5gal and some superthrive/6-4-4. Going in the greenhouse before this ugly weather comes. 4 days below freezing and says 18f 3 of those days. 

[Paradise Found]

They look Great!  Worth the wait.  I planted mine back early September and this will be their first winter.  It would have to be a Bad one!  With a little protection and some heat on the coldest nights they should be fine.  I'm not worried about it because I've protected my big ones this way when they were seedlings.

Yours will be nice looking when their ready to go in the ground, then they'll really take off during the summer.  

I'm starting to think yours might be taller than mine, but I have more leaves. Go figure!!!  

Edited December 22, 2021 by Paradise Found

[NWpalms@206]

13 minutes ago, Paradise Found said:

They look Great!  Worth the wait.  I planted mine back early September and this will be their first winter.  It would have to be a Bad one!  With a little protection and some heat on the coldest nights they should be fine.  I'm not worried about it because I've protected my big ones this way when they were seedlings.

Yours will be nice looking when their ready to go in the ground, then they'll really take off during the summer.  

I'm starting to think yours might be taller than mine, but I have more leaves. Go figure!!!  

I was surprised at the height they’re 3Ft or more. Just going pinnate. Hard to tell how much arch they have yet but they’re pretty flat fronds not V like butia…  From what I can see. I think they’ll be really nice in a few years. Looks like a pretty nicely balanced hybrid. 

[MarkbVet]

On 12/20/2021 at 5:15 PM, MarkbVet said:

Great to hear... these are beautiful palms, we're lucky to be able to grow them here.   Harder to find pinnate cold hardy palms compared to the palmate species.  Resources like you make me very happy to have joined this site!  I've already gotten more solid growing info in a week or two than I had in months leading up to this. 

 

did you get your plant(s) today?!

[MarkbVet]

On 12/20/2021 at 12:20 PM, NWpalms@206 said:

They got delayed a day, bummer. By some weather im sure... the downside to shipping palms at christmas i guess. pics tomorrow!

 

did you get your plants today?!

[Paradise Found]

8 minutes ago, NWpalms@206 said:

I was surprised at the height they’re 3Ft or more. Just going pinnate. Hard to tell how much arch they have yet but they’re pretty flat fronds not V like butia…  From what I can see. I think they’ll be really nice in a few years. Looks like a pretty nicely balanced hybrid. 

My JBF2 has a nice arch and V shade at the base, with flat leaves at the ends.  My other mule is 50% queen with really long weeping leaves.  I think these are going to have long weeping leaves too. or Maybe?

[NWpalms@206]

19 minutes ago, MarkbVet said:

did you get your plants today?!

Yup! Some pics above 

[NWpalms@206]

15 minutes ago, Paradise Found said:

My JBF2 has a nice arch and V shade at the base, with flat leaves at the ends.  My other mule is 50% queen with really long weeping leaves.  I think these are going to have long weeping leaves too. or Maybe?

Ya I kinda get that vibe, like they’ll have tall weeping fronds. I prefer that to the strong butia look, for these palm at least it is a hybrid after all. I have butia.  This is a pic of the super mule on the website if you haven’t seen already.  They are definitely more weeping than that stiff butia arch.