Northernmost canary island date palm in north America ?

[EJPalm05]

I was just wondering where the Northern most CIDP grows in North America without protection? I also wonder where the northernmost washingtonia robusta is! 

[Las Palmas Norte]

I'd wager they'd be on the west coast somewhere. I know there are many on the Oregon coast, and I know of CIDP in Tofino, British Columbia, Canada.

Canary Island Date palm tofino - YouTube

 

 

[EJPalm05]

I also wonder where the most Northern one on the east coast is! 

[Chester B]

Gold Beach Oregon is where you'll see the start of the really huge ones (fully mature), but there are some a little further north not quite the same size.  North Bend, Oregon is furthest I've seen a decent sized one unprotected.

Washingtonia I see all over the place in Oregon, but I've never seen a large one anywhere.   There are some decent sized ones just a little south of Portland, but I wouldn't consider them fully mature.

 

@Ryland has photos of a big one he planted in Ashland, Oregon if I'm not mistaken.

 

 

[Ryland]

Yes @Chester B here is the Ashland one in November:

We planted that as a wee thing in 2007 or 2008, got it from a plant nursery in Brookings.  It's in a favourable position, south facing and against the house, but has somehow survived 0ºF and multiple dips into the teens.  It's certainly not the northernmost individual, but maybe it's the northernmost for its size!

They seem to grow reliably along much of the Oregon coast.  There used to be some big ones in Roseburg but they got wiped out in 2009 I think.  The one below was doing well in Azalea Park in Brookings, the photo was taken in 2008 though so it's probably a lot bigger now?

As for CIDP, I've seen here on Palmtalk mention of one in Tofino, BC but never seen a photo.  Maybe @ShadyDan knows more?

[Jimbean]

17 hours ago, EJ NJ said:

I also wonder where the most Northern one on the east coast is! 

Probably South Carolina, possibly outer banks

[Chester B]

Tofino Cidp - not that big and been there for years so it sounds like it’s very slow growing there but will most likely make it to a large size in a couple decades. 
 

 

 

[ShadyDan]

@Ryland Chester beat me to it, but as you can see in the videos that guys palm garden is quite impressive. Cordylines that size are all over town, exemplifying how mild Tofino’s climate really is. I’ll have to take a trip out there soon to see how everything fared after the nasty Christmas outbreak we had, but I imagine everything did just fine.   

[NCFM]

8 hours ago, Jimbean said:

Probably South Carolina, possibly outer banks

There are some pretty large specimens growing on Hatteras Island, NC.  Here's one thread,  Healthy NC CIDP - COLD HARDY PALMS - PalmTalk , but I know there was another one on here somewhere that had pictures of several more 

[Ryland]

Thanks for the sharing the videos, I'm impressed!  That's a nice collection of palms, all more mature than mine but a good reflection of where I'm hoping mine will be in 3-5 years.  They look perfectly happy there in Tofino, despite all the rain.  I'm particularly excited to see the Brahea edulis.

[Las Palmas Norte]

On 1/23/2022 at 7:58 AM, ShadyDan said:

Chester beat me to it, ... 

FWIW, I beat him to it in the first reply in this thread. 

[Las Palmas Norte]

9 hours ago, Ryland said:

Thanks for the sharing the videos, I'm impressed!  That's a nice collection of palms, all more mature than mine but a good reflection of where I'm hoping mine will be in 3-5 years.  They look perfectly happy there in Tofino, despite all the rain.  I'm particularly excited to see the Brahea edulis.

Here's Joe's vid on the edulis along with some others.

 

 

[Ryland]

3 hours ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

FWIW, I beat him to it in the first reply in this thread. 

You did indeed, somehow I missed that earlier reply!

[Chester B]

25 minutes ago, Ryland said:

You did indeed, somehow I missed that earlier reply!

Me too.

[Hutch]

There pretty tough palms...mines been unprotected now for 3 years...zone 8b....it has defoliated once in 2013-2014...winter, pic today 53 sunny has seen 26 this winter

[Chester B]

1 hour ago, Hutch said:

There pretty tough palms...mines been unprotected now for 3 years...zone 8b....it has defoliated once in 2013-2014...winter, pic today 53 sunny has seen 26 this winter

Actually Hutch you may have the one furthest north of a decent size!  The one in Silverton doesn't count due to it being helped all these years.

[Hutch]

Might be true....its not for the faint of heart ..i get nervous every late Nov...thru Mid Feb..but to my worries it seems to be fine fronds wise till about 19...

[MonkeDonkezz]

On the Wikipedia page for CIDP it shows an image of a CIDP supposedly located on Hatteras on the Outer Banks of NC.

[Ryland]

I got curious about the Azalea Park Washingtonia I mentioned earlier.  Unusually for Brookings, it is caught on Street View, last year, looking very well indeed:

I am keen to do another tour of Brookings to see how everything is coming along, but it's more than 5000 miles... maybe one of you can get there first.  In particular I wonder how the Archontophoenix on Wharf Street is doing, as well as the scattered queen palms.

[Chester B]

2 hours ago, Ryland said:

I got curious about the Azalea Park Washingtonia I mentioned earlier.  Unusually for Brookings, it is caught on Street View, last year, looking very well indeed:

I am keen to do another tour of Brookings to see how everything is coming along, but it's more than 5000 miles... maybe one of you can get there first.  In particular I wonder how the Archontophoenix on Wharf Street is doing, as well as the scattered queen palms.

Even for me its a bit of hike, like 6 hours!  I have a vacation this summer down by Coos Bay so maybe I head down there one day, it's about 2.5 hours from there.  \

Glad to see they've updated a bit of the Streetview finally.

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

Weren't some CIDPs planted in Vancouver, Canada at 49ºN latitude? The poster of this video says the palm is already 20 years old. It has a fat, healthy trunk.
 

 

And Like Las Palmas Norte and Chester have said, there are also healthy specimens (or at least one) in Tofino, BC 
 

We can "officially say" it's at 49ºN in the SW coast of Canada? I really doubt there any other further north than these ones. 

[UK_Palms]

@Alicante Will that CIDP still be alive in Vancouver after the late December freeze? They went down to -14C and didn't rise above freezing for 8 consecutive days/nights. 5 of those nights dropped below -10C with two back to back nights of -14C and -13C. Also one of those two days only had a high/maximum of -9C. Now that is extreme. 

If this CIDP is located outside of Vancouver's UHI, it may have actually got even colder there? At the very least, I suspect it was totally defoliated. The short days, low sunlight intensity and the lack of any warmup for months on end, at 49N, probably won't allow CIDP's to recover like they did in Texas in February 2021. Unless the owner protected it, I can't see it surviving. 

[Chester B]

That big one near Vancouver against the house gets protected so it doesn't count.

That Tofino one as per my comments above seems like the winner, if it ever gets mature.

[ShadyDan]

24 minutes ago, Chester B said:

That big one near Vancouver against the house gets protected so it doesn't count.

That Tofino one as per my comments above seems like the winner, if it ever gets mature.

This. The one in Vancouver wouldn't have made it through many of the winters its lived through without protection. Vancouver can get hammered during those arctic outflows.

The one in Tofino doesn't get any protection to my knowledge and is in a much more mild climate. If it came out of this latest arctic blast relatively unscathed, I see no reason why it won't start trunking and mature in the future.

[DeletedAccount14e83d09a24f]

11 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

@Alicante Will that CIDP still be alive in Vancouver after the late December freeze? They went down to -14C and didn't rise above freezing for 8 consecutive days/nights. 5 of those nights dropped below -10C with two back to back nights of -14C and -13C. Also one of those two days only had a high/maximum of -9C. Now that is extreme. 

If this CIDP is located outside of Vancouver's UHI, it may have actually got even colder there? At the very least, I suspect it was totally defoliated. The short days, low sunlight intensity and the lack of any warmup for months on end, at 49N, probably won't allow CIDP's to recover like they did in Texas in February 2021. Unless the owner protected it, I can't see it surviving. 

Ouch. I didn't know it got that cold in Vancouver. It seems a really strange phenomenon based on their average means. 

Maybe the Tofino one has survived at least? It seems the other ones were protected. We could contact the guy on YouTube that uploaded these videos.