Pot up or plant out BxJ

[Joe NC]

This B yatay x Jubaea needs to be potted up now or planted out in the spring.

It is getting the VIP spot in the front yard when it does get put in the ground.

It is still a little small, but it will be easier to mound plant it in my heavy soil if I plant out at this size...

But...I did murder a (bxj)xj planted out this small. It didn't like the change in drainage and rotted instantly.

Opinions?

[Chester B]

At that size I would plant it out this spring for sure. Keeping it in a pot is only going to slow it down. 
 

I never had a palm die like that after planting so no comments other than don’t tease out the roots. 

[NWpalms@206]

Just now, Chester B said:

At that size I would plant it out this spring for sure. Keeping it in a pot is only going to slow it down. 
 

I never had a palm die like that after planting so no comments other than don’t tease out the roots. 

Do you just go straight from pot to dirt? I always gently massage roots loose on any plant transplanting to the ground especially if root bound ( I have a couple from patric that are about to split pots)... but not so much going from pot to bigger pot.  And also yes i would plant that yatay x jub in the ground as soon as the weather permits and plan to cover and heat with cable or christmas lights, for first winter or two, thats what I will do generally with all of my 8b palms. 

[knikfar]

I'll be planting one of these soon myself. I just plan to amend the soil with cactus and palm soil and sharp construction gravel. That will help improve drainage and deter the voles from eating the roots. 

[Chester B]

2 hours ago, NWpalms@206 said:

Do you just go straight from pot to dirt? I always gently massage roots loose on any plant transplanting to the ground especially if root bound ( I have a couple from patric that are about to split pots)... but not so much going from pot to bigger pot.  And also yes i would plant that yatay x jub in the ground as soon as the weather permits and plan to cover and heat with cable or christmas lights, for first winter or two, thats what I will do generally with all of my 8b palms. 

Yes.  Most palms don't like their roots being touched.  Other non palmy plants I will loosen up the roots.

Case in point - I had 5 pots of triple trachys I planted all in the same year.  4 went straight into the ground and all have about 10' overall height with the biggest have 6' of trunk. The only one I teased the roots on sat there for 3 years doing nothing and finally started growing, its about 4' -5' overall height with about 20" of trunk.

[NWpalms@206]

41 minutes ago, Chester B said:

Yes.  Most palms don't like their roots being touched.  Other non palmy plants I will loosen up the roots.

Case in point - I had 5 pots of triple trachys I planted all in the same year.  4 went straight into the ground and all have about 10' overall height with the biggest have 6' of trunk. The only one I teased the roots on sat there for 3 years doing nothing and finally started growing, its about 4' -5' overall height with about 20" of trunk.

well thanks i appreciate that, ill leave the roots alone when planting my palms!

[BeyondTheGarden]

That's a good looking specimen, keep us posted!  Can't wait til mine gets that big!

[NWpalms@206]

How old is it, did you have since strap leaf or get it larger? I have 2 just starting to go pinnate. 

[Joe NC]

46 minutes ago, NWpalms@206 said:

How old is it, did you have since strap leaf or get it larger? I have 2 just starting to go pinnate. 

I got it as a liner size strap leaf in July 2019, and I think it put out it's first pinnate leaf that year.

So, reasonably fast.  I also got a JxB.yatay at the same time, and it has been a tiny bit slower and the fronds are a bit more blue and open looking.  The yatay x Jub is more compact and greener.  Seems like it will be the more attractive of the two, so will get the best placement.

 

[NWpalms@206]

46 minutes ago, Joe NC said:

I got it as a liner size strap leaf in July 2019, and I think it put out it's first pinnate leaf that year.

So, reasonably fast.  I also got a JxB.yatay at the same time, and it has been a tiny bit slower and the fronds are a bit more blue and open looking.  The yatay x Jub is more compact and greener.  Seems like it will be the more attractive of the two, so will get the best placement.

 

Good to know Im just a couple yrs from this with mine, I also have the jubaea x yatay and so far its as fast as the other, it looks just beefier though with very stiff and ridged strap leaves... maybe the YxJ will start to take off though. 

[knikfar]

Mine just arrived this evening. I’ll be planting it in the next week or so. 

[Chester B]

45 minutes ago, knikfar said:

Mine just arrived this evening. I’ll be planting it in the next week or so. 

He gave you a good one.  The two he sent me are not pinnate yet, and definitely smaller.

[NWpalms@206]

48 minutes ago, knikfar said:

Mine just arrived this evening. I’ll be planting it in the next week or so. 

Very nice I have 2 almost identical to this. Just going pinnate. Very excited for them to put on some size! 

Edited February 23, 2022 by NWpalms@206

[spike]

50 minutes ago, knikfar said:

Mine just arrived this evening. I’ll be planting it in the next week or so. 

I love your kitchen wall, also the palm

[knikfar]

8 hours ago, spike said:

I love your kitchen wall, also the palm

Thank you! I have Wayfair to thank for that tile. 

[knikfar]

On 2/21/2022 at 10:24 AM, Joe NC said:

This B yatay x Jubaea needs to be potted up now or planted out in the spring.

It is getting the VIP spot in the front yard when it does get put in the ground.

It is still a little small, but it will be easier to mound plant it in my heavy soil if I plant out at this size...

But...I did murder a (bxj)xj planted out this small. It didn't like the change in drainage and rotted instantly.

Opinions?

I've tried to do research on the hardiness of this mix but I can't really find anything I think I can count on. Butia's are marginal in our climate but jubaea is hardier than butia. So doesn't it seem like this variety would be hardier than a typical butia? Do you have any thoughts on that to share? Also, are you planning any protection methods? 

[Joe NC]

I planted it out in the VIP spot I was saving for something special.  I planted it very high in a mound of well draining soil, after having ptsd from the last jubaea hybrid that went in the ground.

[knikfar]

8 minutes ago, Joe NC said:

I planted it out in the VIP spot I was saving for something special.  I planted it very high in a mound of well draining soil, after having ptsd from the last jubaea hybrid that went in the ground.

With your location along the coast, I can't see this not thriving and growing into a huge, beautiful beast! 

 

[RJ]

I’ve got one about the same size and two smaller ones. Hoping to get them in the ground this year. If not definitely next year. 

[NWpalms@206]

2 hours ago, Joe NC said:

I planted it out in the VIP spot I was saving for something special.  I planted it very high in a mound of well draining soil, after having ptsd from the last jubaea hybrid that went in the ground.

looks great!

[Joe NC]

On 3/22/2022 at 8:52 AM, Joe NC said:

7 months growth.  Not too bad

[BeyondTheGarden]

@Joe NC what part of NC are you in? 

[SailorBold]

On 2/23/2022 at 6:47 AM, knikfar said:

I've tried to do research on the hardiness of this mix but I can't really find anything I think I can count on. Butia's are marginal in our climate but jubaea is hardier than butia. So doesn't it seem like this variety would be hardier than a typical butia? Do you have any thoughts on that to share? Also, are you planning any protection methods? 

It is a lot hardier than Butia..  I have tried a few Butia and have lost them all due to various reasons.. one being spear pull.. that one I think was due to a freeze...the leaves looked fine but the spear rotted. I have a BJxB now and it's wonderful..  has seen 8f unprotected with no spear damage..maybe 20-30% older leaflet damage. The spear is thick and it always has a super thick spear even after each leaf opens and grows out.

[SailorBold]

[knikfar]

8 minutes ago, SailorBold said:

It is a lot hardier than Butia..  I have tried a few Butia and have lost them all due to various reasons.. one being spear pull.. that one I think was due to a freeze...the leaves looked fine but the spear rotted. I have a BJxB now and it's wonderful..  has seen 8f unprotected with no spear damage..maybe 20-30% older leaflet damage. The spear is thick and it always has a super thick spear even after each leaf opens and grows out.

I certainly hope mine is as hardy as yours. But this makes me very hopeful.

[Joe NC]

11 hours ago, Jesse PNW said:

@Joe NC what part of NC are you in? 

Southeast corner.  Wilmington, fairly mild winters, but always a couple of nights every few years to remind me that I'm in a solid zone 8a.

[BeyondTheGarden]

Nice.  We used to go to Wrightsville and Carolina Beach, that was our favorite one when I lived in Fayetteville.  

Looking through historic weather data, I see 9f in 2018!?  I thought you guys would be stay warmer since you're right by the water!  

[BeyondTheGarden]

@Joe NCit looks like you've got lots of good stuff there, I looked to see if you have any forums with more of your plants.  I see your garden thread from 2018, do you have more recent pics to share?  I'm sure it's changed a lot since then, and it looks like you've got lots of good stuff.

[knikfar]

19 hours ago, Jesse PNW said:

Nice.  We used to go to Wrightsville and Carolina Beach, that was our favorite one when I lived in Fayetteville.  

Looking through historic weather data, I see 9f in 2018!?  I thought you guys would be stay warmer since you're right by the water!  

That was a 100 year cold event. You'll find similar temps up and down the southeastern coast during that time. Everyone from Charleston SC up to Virginia Beach. 

[Joe NC]

On 10/18/2022 at 9:17 PM, Jesse PNW said:

Nice.  We used to go to Wrightsville and Carolina Beach, that was our favorite one when I lived in Fayetteville.  

Looking through historic weather data, I see 9f in 2018!?  I thought you guys would be stay warmer since you're right by the water!  

That was a bad winter for palms....   The moderating effect of the water dissipated really quickly as you moved inland from the coast.   My low was 11 that year,  those couple of degrees probably kept me from loosing even more.  However the duration of the event was also the major killer. 

[Joe NC]

On 10/17/2022 at 11:05 AM, Joe NC said:

7 months growth.  Not too bad

13 months later......

Last Dec, it suffered minor spear pull after the cold snap at the end of the month.   You can see the evidence from the stumpy 1/2 frond.  This also shows how much growth it pushed in one growing season.

Also,  hooked leaf tips.

[RJ]

On 12/7/2023 at 9:56 AM, Joe NC said:

13 months later......

Last Dec, it suffered minor spear pull after the cold snap at the end of the month.   You can see the evidence from the stumpy 1/2 frond.  This also shows how much growth it pushed in one growing season.

Also,  hooked leaf tips.

Looking good, I dropped one in the ground mid summer, can’t remember exactly when. Has been growing nicely.