Washingtonia Filibusta - Fayetteville NC

[Leelanau Palms]

18 minutes ago, jwitt said:

I was referring to the root on the right which looks separate from the seedling it is nearly attached to.   I was amazed at the length.

Just something I have observed regarding washy roots, being so large when young, any sort of pot must restrain the roots.

Maybe I am mistaken, but I felt that long root was separate from the shorter root and sprout.  Either way, that is one heck of an aggressive root, something I have seen with filifera leaning washies. 

Ultimately my question is are both roots from the same seedling, or is the longer root still not sprouting top growth yet? 

Thanks for clarifying. It was attached to the seed/sprout pictured. I created a deep hole for this and other longer rooted sprouts. I'll update on their progress.

[WSimpson]

1 hour ago, Leelanau Palms said:

Thanks for clarifying. It was attached to the seed/sprout pictured. I created a deep hole for this and other longer rooted sprouts. I'll update on their progress.

I think it is 2 roots one seed .Kep us posted what happens .

Will

[Las Palmas Norte]

Polar Vortex report on my only planted 'Fayetteville' Washingtonia'. Three nights where temps dropped into dicey territory.

Jan. 11 (16.5°F)  Jan.12 (23.4°F)  Jan.13 (20.5°F) Light frost after but lingering for the remainder of the week. I did a burlap wrap on this small palm. No supplemental heat. It's under a poly cover to shed rain, frost or snow. That is all.

 

January 19, 2024

[Leelanau Palms]

Wow. Thanks for the update. I am very interested in what the full damage or lack of it will be. How old is it and how long in the ground? 

Edited January 19 by Leelanau Palms

[EJPalm05]

If anybody still has seeds from this palm I would like some.

[Leelanau Palms]

Update: four days in a pot with emerging structures and chlorophyll.  They have been under a grow light. No apparent casualties/losses to date.

Edited January 22 by Leelanau Palms

[Leelanau Palms]

On 1/18/2024 at 3:28 PM, Leelanau Palms said:

Thanks to @BeyondTheGarden here are my Washingtonia filibusta 'Fayetteville" starts:

December 28th 2023 placed half of the ~ 60 seeds in MG potting soil and the other half in sphaghnum (placed under my sink where a heat vent warms)

Today, January 18, 2023 I potted up 11 sprouts in MG potting soil with perlite and vermiculite added.  More seeds (7) sprouted to date in the MG potting soil

The weather outside is frightful, but the washies inside are delightful.

 

 

Latest update today, February 5, 2024:

 

 

I've had 3-4 casualties to date, (1 damping off/mold, 1-2 burnt by too much grow light) but am replacing them with freshly sprouted babies from the baggy.  A switch in baggy location from a warm cupboard above a heat duct to a dedicated heat mat has significantly increased the numbers and the rate of germination. It appears that letting them continue to develop in the baggy to a point where they have newly branched roots and a longer shoot (like >1-1.5cm long) increases their establishment and success rate (vs. just barely sprouted) upon transfer to a pot.

Edited February 5 by Leelanau Palms

[BigBilly]

On 1/18/2024 at 4:21 PM, knikfar said:

It's about 3' tall if I had to guess. I've attached a photo I took in December. It looks rougher now. 

Did it die ? 

[ZPalms]

I think that protection at a young age is important for them to gain some thickness. Depending on the winter and whether the lot didn't get mowed down, the ones on the lot defoliate and regrow in the spring if they are lucky.

[Leelanau Palms]

I need some input. I have my washy seedlings under a grow light in a warm room but hope to get them to a bright but cooler window sill/floor next to a large window (especially as their numbers grow). What are acceptable and ideal temperature ranges for these seedlings?

[Las Palmas Norte]

6 hours ago, Leelanau Palms said:

What are acceptable and ideal temperature ranges for these seedlings?

Acceptable: 60°F - 75°F

Ideal: 75°F - 85°F

[Leelanau Palms]

17 hours ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

Acceptable: 60°F - 75°F

Ideal: 75°F - 85°F

Thank you for the info.

[Leelanau Palms]

@BeyondTheGarden, @knikfar, and @Las Palmas Norte (and anyone else),  I need your expertise. My washy seedlings appear to be growing well with good color, etc. but I noticed these extremely small white spots on their newly emerged leaves.  A water spritz did not remove these. A gentle wipe seemed to. No movement observed. Disease or debris or other?

 

 

[MattInRaleigh]

2 hours ago, Leelanau Palms said:

@BeyondTheGarden, @knikfar, and @Las Palmas Norte (and anyone else),  I need your expertise. My washy seedlings appear to be growing well with good color, etc. but I noticed these extremely small white spots on their newly emerged leaves.  A water spritz did not remove these. A gentle wipe seemed to. No movement observed. Disease or debris or other?

 

 

I don’t know for sure but it looks like scale to me. Try removing the white spots with an old toothbrush to see if they come off.

[EJPalm05]

2 hours ago, Leelanau Palms said:

@BeyondTheGarden, @knikfar, and @Las Palmas Norte (and anyone else),  I need your expertise. My washy seedlings appear to be growing well with good color, etc. but I noticed these extremely small white spots on their newly emerged leaves.  A water spritz did not remove these. A gentle wipe seemed to. No movement observed. Disease or debris or other?

 

 

That's normal for them to have those white spots!

[BeyondTheGarden]

I wish I had a better answer, I have so many palms indoors that tiny details like that often go unnoticed until it becomes more of a problem, and I end up doing what people say not to do, and wipe the leaves with a very mild dish soap solution, followed by a clean paper towel.  Some one on here told me I should never apply detergent to a palm, however. 

[ZPalms]

1 hour ago, BeyondTheGarden said:

I wish I had a better answer, I have so many palms indoors that tiny details like that often go unnoticed until it becomes more of a problem, and I end up doing what people say not to do, and wipe the leaves with a very mild dish soap solution, followed by a clean paper towel.  Some one on here told me I should never apply detergent to a palm, however. 

I've used windex on my chamaerops seedlings for scale 😂

[Las Palmas Norte]

On 2/8/2024 at 2:47 AM, Leelanau Palms said:

@BeyondTheGarden, @knikfar, and @Las Palmas Norte (and anyone else),  I need your expertise. My washy seedlings appear to be growing well with good color, etc. but I noticed these extremely small white spots on their newly emerged leaves.  A water spritz did not remove these. A gentle wipe seemed to. No movement observed. Disease or debris or other?

 

 

 

That characteristic is also observed on my larger Washingtonia palms (Fayetteville). Nothing to be alarmed about. A healthy looking start for your seedlings.

 

[Leelanau Palms]

@Las Palmas Norte , thank you so much for the input and reassurance. I am inspired by your personal collection of W. filibusta 'Fayetteville'. Hope mine thrive as much as yours have.

[Las Palmas Norte]

20 hours ago, ZPalms said:

I've used windex on my chamaerops seedlings for scale 😂

Nah uh u h. Never use Windex© on plant material. Have you seen what's in that product? None of that seems plant friendly.

 

 

I use a home made solution which can be applied safely and repetitively. Physically remove the scale insect by hand and then spray the mix from a sprayer.

Insecticidal soap.

2 tbsp plant based (natural) dish liquid (see below)

1 tbsp canola or vegetable oil

4 cups (32oz) tepid water.

Mix slowly without foaming the mixture.

(you can reduce the total amount by diving the ingredients accordingly)

 

It's a Canadian product but there's going to be an equivariant product for you there. 

 

[ZPalms]

1 hour ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

Nah uh u h. Never use Windex© on plant material. Have you seen what's in that product? None of that seems plant friendly.

 

 

I use a home made solution which can be applied safely and repetitively. Physically remove the scale insect by hand and then spray the mix from a sprayer.

Insecticidal soap.

2 tbsp plant based (natural) dish liquid (see below)

1 tbsp canola or vegetable oil

4 cups (32oz) tepid water.

Mix slowly without foaming the mixture.

(you can reduce the total amount by diving the ingredients accordingly)

 

It's a Canadian product but there's going to be an equivariant product for you there. 

 

LOL I always think about making a soap mix myself, one of my indoor plants have scale and thrips... Idk what to do on that but I saw somebody on here I think use windex and it did work but yeah probably not the safest thing but it did work 😂

[NCFM]

3 hours ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

Nah uh u h. Never use Windex© on plant material. Have you seen what's in that product? None of that seems plant friendly.

 

 

I use a home made solution which can be applied safely and repetitively. Physically remove the scale insect by hand and then spray the mix from a sprayer.

Insecticidal soap.

2 tbsp plant based (natural) dish liquid (see below)

1 tbsp canola or vegetable oil

4 cups (32oz) tepid water.

Mix slowly without foaming the mixture.

(you can reduce the total amount by diving the ingredients accordingly)

 

It's a Canadian product but there's going to be an equivariant product for you there. 

 

I've used Malathion a couple times in the past to treat scale, but I may try this next time instead.  Less risky and much cheaper.  Thanks for sharing

[Las Palmas Norte]

4 hours ago, NCFM said:

I've used Malathion a couple times in the past to treat scale, but I may try this next time instead.  Less risky and much cheaper.  Thanks for sharing

Malathion has been banned here and not for sale since sometime in the 90's I believe. It did work but I'm sure it was a pretty toxic systemic.

[BeyondTheGarden]

2 days ago, was exactly 2 months since I harvested seed. And some are already pushing out their second strap leaf.  

[Leelanau Palms]

42 minutes ago, BeyondTheGarden said:

2 days ago, was exactly 2 months since I harvested seed. And some are already pushing out their second strap leaf.  

Looking good! My seeds from you were started in late December, like a couple of weeks behind yours. Your seedlings have younger cousins in Michigan 😊

[Leelanau Palms]

@BeyondTheGarden , right behind you. The start of a second strap leaf:

 

[ChicagoPalma]

Not from the same seed batch but after most of my filibusta's dried out when I returned from colorado, some survived and currently have 7, gave one out last week to a friend. I got two growing a second strap leaf from december batch while others recently sprouted up.

[RFun]

On 1/19/2024 at 10:19 AM, jwitt said:

I was referring to the root on the right which looks separate from the seedling it is nearly attached to.   I was amazed at the length.

Just something I have observed regarding washy roots, being so large when young, any sort of pot must restrain the roots.

Maybe I am mistaken, but I felt that long root was separate from the shorter root and sprout.  Either way, that is one heck of an aggressive root, something I have seen with filifera leaning washies. 

Ultimately my question is are both roots from the same seedling, or is the longer root still not sprouting top growth yet? 

That looks like a healthy root system to me.

[jwitt]

1 hour ago, RFun said:

That looks like a healthy root system to me.

Never insinuated it wasn't healthy.  

The strangeness of one root growing upwards and the other down, gave me pause to question if it was 2 plants.  

That is all.

[RFun]

20 minutes ago, jwitt said:

Never insinuated it wasn't healthy.  

The strangeness of one root growing upwards and the other down, gave me pause to question if it was 2 plants.  

That is all.

I know that.

[jwitt]

22 minutes ago, RFun said:

I know that.

Both hybrids, is one possibly unnatural or even damaged by growing conditions?

I see a difference.

My thoughts.....

 

 

[Leelanau Palms]

These were sprouted in a baggy, so their growth pattern was more random initially.  I should have marked this particular seedling to track its progress. I cannot tell you how it has done. I've lost a few seedlings along the way--all had sprouts above soil level in their pots. One had straight out mildew (which seemed to come directly from the seed), the others seemed to reach about 1.5-2cm with some green, then turn "skinny," dry out, and die. They have been under grow lights x 12 hours per day @ ~ 65-75 degrees / 30-40% humidity,  with careful squeeze bottle watering based on pot weight.

[Leelanau Palms]

My seedlings were slowed by 10 days at a neighbor's cool, dark house while I was on spring break. Here is the latest summary picture of them. Two of them have browning leaves (from overwatering earlier, I believe). Some are starting on their third leaves.

[Gville Palms]

Saw these online yesterday (they are a new offering) and it made me think maybe you folks growing Washingtonia palms in marginal locations might be interested. Claims the parent survived 8 degrees. I’ve ordered a variety of plants from this botanical garden and they’ve always been great.  
 

https://www.plantdelights.com/products/washingtonia-filifera-denton

[N8ALLRIGHT]

My Fayetteville Washy with his attacker. It should recover barring another incident 😐

[Silas_Sancona]

55 minutes ago, N8ALLRIGHT said:

My Fayetteville Washy with his attacker. It should recover barring another incident 😐

Squirt bottle w/ water and a firm " leave it " ...if you catch him in the act ...or a few squirts of Bitter Apple spray on the targeted item

..Deters curious nibblers / chewers  -younger and older-  pretty much every time.

[Leelanau Palms]

10 hours ago, N8ALLRIGHT said:

My Fayetteville Washy with his attacker. It should recover barring another incident 😐

Palm Cujo ?!? Canine assassin, not so carnivore 😱

[Chester B]

You can also use Critter ridder.  It has hot peppers in it, so your dog should smell it and leave it alone.  

My youngest dog was never deterred by any of the products.  Only physical barriers worked until he grew out of it.

[N8ALLRIGHT]

9 hours ago, Chester B said:

You can also use Critter ridder.  It has hot peppers in it, so your dog should smell it and leave it alone.  

My youngest dog was never deterred by any of the products.  Only physical barriers worked until he grew out of it.

You nailed it.

Augie (the plant assassin) is 6 months old. Multiple plants have fallen to him. My last puppy liked to eat sago fronds, she grew out of that. Not much deterred her and he's the same. I'm putting in some more fence. 

[ChicagoPalma]

On 2/24/2024 at 4:44 AM, Leelanau Palms said:

These were sprouted in a baggy, so their growth pattern was more random initially.  I should have marked this particular seedling to track its progress. I cannot tell you how it has done. I've lost a few seedlings along the way--all had sprouts above soil level in their pots. One had straight out mildew (which seemed to come directly from the seed), the others seemed to reach about 1.5-2cm with some green, then turn "skinny," dry out, and die. They have been under grow lights x 12 hours per day @ ~ 65-75 degrees / 30-40% humidity,  with careful squeeze bottle watering based on pot weight.

I dumped water on my filibusta seedlings every three days or so and they are chugging along very fast. Hopefully I'll move them out over the weekend for the warm weather and hopefully don't have to move them. Can't send pics but they have now two small baby fronds.