ID needed on this coconut

[Brian mac]

Can anyone give me a ID on this coconut palm. Thanks for any help. 

[PalmatierMeg]

Hard to tell from photos but I’d say green malayan

[Blueman]

Another Cocos ID, SW Florida:  Jamaican Tall?  

 

 

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

On 6/29/2022 at 8:31 AM, Brian mac said:

Can anyone give me a ID on this coconut palm. Thanks for any help. 

Good question.  It may be a hybrid of some sort.  I don't think it's a Green Malayan Dwarf.  Green Malayan Dwarfs usually have much greener coconuts than that and greener leaflets on the leaves.

John

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

On 6/29/2022 at 6:06 PM, Blueman said:

Another Cocos ID, SW Florida:  Jamaican Tall?  

 

 

Also a good question.  I don't recall ever seeing a Jamaican Tall with those black marks on the trunk, and Jamaican Talls have longer more pointed triangular shaped nuts at the rear of the nut, and they often have a swollen bole at the base of the trunk.  Did that one have a swollen bole at the base?  And Jamaican Talls have a complete round crown of leaves.  It actually looks like a variety I have seen pics of that is planted in the Canary Islands.

John

Edited July 1, 2022 by Mr. Coconut Palm

[mnorell]

I would tentatively tag it as a Panama Tall but you really have to get in there for some additional details. Those fruit at least more or less seem to have that ‘cannonball’ quality that I use as my own primary indicator of that form. The trees have been so pruned of lower leaves that it’s a bit hard to recognise. 

[Mr. Coconut Palm]

On 7/1/2022 at 12:33 AM, mnorell said:

I would tentatively tag it as a Panama Tall but you really have to get in there for some additional details. Those fruit at least more or less seem to have that ‘cannonball’ quality that I use as my own primary indicator of that form. The trees have been so pruned of lower leaves that it’s a bit hard to recognise. 

Do Panama Talls typically exhibit those black marks on the trunks where the old leaf rings are?  I wonder what causes that.  I never noticed that characteristic on any of the Coconut Palms I saw when visiting Florida, and the two years I lived in South Florida, nor in the Caribbean when visiting there.  In fact, the only time I can recall seeing it is in pics of some of the Coconut Palms growing in the Canary Islands.

John

[mnorell]

I don’t recall noticing that quality on any single type but since they are just abscission scars it may be either shadows in the photo or some sooty mold (I’ve certainly seen that here and there on various specimens) or the like covering those areas due to some environmental and/or cultural factors. I do suspect there’s an overeager maintenance crew to blame for some of the head-scratching elements on this…except they usually remove the fruit as well so that’s a little strange. I have a couple of oddballs at our place in the Keys and just attribute them to genetic variation or hybridization between types. I just think looking at the shape and color of those fruits that there is probably Panama blood in there. Maybe a MayPAN rather than a MAYPan if you know what I mean. It would be nice to see with the crown left in its natural state. 

[Plantking165]

I've seen those before those are in Naples right? He has a another single across from it he said those are his Panama talls when I visited a few yrs ago.