Help identifying Copernicia

[Alex.k]

Not sure exactly what Cop. this might be. I got it as “hybrid”. IMO it’s beautiful nonetheless but just curious 

[Silas_Sancona]

3 minutes ago, Alex.k said:

Not sure exactly what Cop. this might be. I got it as “hybrid”. IMO it’s beautiful nonetheless but just curious 

Blindfolded shot in the dark:  Possibly C. hospida   ...or something involving it  ..if a hybrid.  Great looking palm regardless.

[Merlyn]

I think the black teeth are common on Baileyana, and are "rachis colored" on Fallaensis.  So I guess it could be a Bailey hybrid of some sort.  I have no idea what other Copernicia may have black-ish teeth, so there may be others.  Those fangs look vicious! 

[TheMadScientist]

The guru of Copernicia's in my opinion would be @Jeff Searle, and on the Left Coast with large variety is @MattyB.  I have nothing to offer but what I can see from Palmpedia.  I don't think it is Alba as the thorns are spread apart a lot more.  I agree with @Merlyn regarding the thorns of the Baileyana, but for me the fan splits are closer than this ID.  I can't see enough key traits seen on Prunifera like waxy underside or the stacking of the leaf bases - so no opinion.  For me, the Hospita has a different color....I'm GUESSING it's a hybrid.

[sonoranfans]

1 hour ago, Alex.k said:

Not sure exactly what Cop. this might be. I got it as “hybrid”. IMO it’s beautiful nonetheless but just curious 

Blue bailey is my guess.  My green bailey has teeth and petioles just like those.  That is a nice palm!  

[sonoranfans]

comparison:

[Merlyn]

6 hours ago, sonoranfans said:

Blue bailey is my guess.  My green bailey has teeth and petioles just like those.  That is a nice palm!  

No doubt, that's a great palm!  I was looking through the Bailey pictures on Palmpedia, this one looks like a spitting image of Alex's plant...just more green than his:

Jeff Searle sold a bunch of his "silver" versions, which look a lot like Alex's plant.  @Alex.k here's a link to Palmpedia's other details on Baileyana.  Expect about a 15-20' maximum diameter when mature.  https://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Copernicia_baileyana

[Alex.k]

Thank you all for your input, greatly appreciate it! 

@Merlyn @sonoranfans @TheMadScientist @Silas_Sancona

[Merlyn]

@Alex.k a hybrid (or possibly pure) Copernicia is a great way to start!  Just make sure that you do not mess with the roots when planting it.  Copernicia and Bismarck both absolutely hate having their roots messed with.  Try to get it out of the pot with as little as disturbance as possible.  Don't root prune them, or cut roots, or "loosen them up" before planting.  Copernicia and Bismarck (and probably some others) have a tendency to die if you do that.  Out of the pot and into the ground in one swell foop! 

[sonoranfans]

here is a nice little PDF on observations of bailey and fallaensis

 

CoperniciaBaileyanaAndCoperniciaFallaensis.pdf

[mike in kurtistown]

The teeth on Copernicia petioles can give a clue to their identity. I have fair size baileys, fallaensis, and hospitas, and my hospitas have the closest spaced and meanest teeth. The pictures above resemble that. Hospitas also come in a variety of green and bluish colors. If it's a hybrid, then it's anyone's guess.

[Fusca]

 

2 hours ago, mike in kurtistown said:

The teeth on Copernicia petioles can give a clue to their identity. I have fair size baileys, fallaensis, and hospitas, and my hospitas have the closest spaced and meanest teeth. The pictures above resemble that. Hospitas also come in a variety of green and bluish colors. If it's a hybrid, then it's anyone's guess.

My original thought that if it was a hybrid perhaps Copernicia shaferi (hospita x cowellii).

[bubba]

Sonoranfans,

Thank you for the Charlie Beck attachment. This gentleman is a prolific palmsman here are in Palm Beach County. I have read a number of his vignettes.he has had tremendous experiences with numerous out of the ordinary palm varieties. I know that his location is west but was wondering if you or anybody had information on this outstanding gentleman. Thank you again

 

 

[sonoranfans]

2 minutes ago, bubba said:

Sonoranfans,

Thank you for the Charlie Beck attachment. This gentleman is a prolific palmsman here are in Palm Beach County. I have read a number of his vignettes.he has had tremendous experiences with numerous out of the ordinary palm varieties. I know that his location is west but was wondering if you or anybody had information on this outstanding gentleman. Thank you again

 

 

Sorry bubba I dont know his location and have never met him. I downloaded his ppt years ago to better understand the differences between fallaensis and bailey and he was spot on with the leaf length/width ratios etc, same ratios as mine.  I know he was very experienced palm grower from a generation before I joined palmtalk.  His experiences are a gift to us.