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Help identifying these two palms


eacdmd86

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Picked these up yesterday. Neither labeled.

This one throws a reddish leaf.  Looks like it could be some sort of pinanga?

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This one I have no idea, but it looks cool.

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Looks like a good score anyway. I’ll bet you’re are right on the first one but not sure which species. Maybe adangensis?
Just a WAG on the second could it be Dypsis mirabilis? 

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Not sure of the species either.  It doesn't appear clustering, so I was thinking either p. maculata or possibly caesia.  Copelandii seems like a distant third option.

 

After looking up Dypsis mirabilis, it looks like a pretty good match to what I have.  I guess I have to wait for it to grow more.

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Might be wrong, but I'd like to point out that dypsis mirabilis has a crownshaft while your palm doesn't really, but its pretty close nonetheless. Good luck on your ID

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After you mentioned it, I compared pictures, and you're right, mine has no crownshaft. I pulled the two tiny dead boots off it, and there's like nothing there for crownshaft.

That being said, what else has those thin fishtail leaves?  Everything I've seen are wider.

When I bought it, the palm was labeled vampire, but the grower said it was not, and someone had switched the label. He couldn't recall what it actually was at that time.  After reading, Vampire palms don't trunk, so he's probably right that it was mislabeled.

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There are a few small understory ones like Dypsis Forficifolia and Chamaedorea ernesti-augusti that look reasonably close.  I've just gotten into the small ones myself, so I don't know a lot about them. 

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The first palm resembles Pinanga crassipes in the crownshaft, the mottled leaflets and the new leaf color, but could be a close relative. Pretty plant and well-grown.

The second is a Calyptrocalyx and looks exactly like Calyptrocalyx yamutumene a.k.a. Calyptrocalyx sp. 'Yamu Tumune'. A great representative of the genus for S. Florida, easy to grow and cold tolerant compared to other members of the group.

Nice score on both accounts. Good hunting.

Ryan

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