Help with Licuala species identification please.

[Mandrew968]

Good morning palmtalk. My oldest and I planted this palm on my youngest's first birthday. So it's 9 years in the ground and once established,  no supplemental irrigation. And mostly full sun. Every year for the past 4 years, it is a reliable seeder as you can see now. I got this from my friend Steve Stern as an sp. It's not ramsayi so please none of that. The infructescence looks pretty distinct... if one knew... it is solitary also. 

Wow, nine years...

[SeanK]

Today's thirst trap for everyone living north of Alligator Alley 

[NatureGirl]

Could it be Lic rumphii? I just received about 100 seeds of these I’m looking forward to planting. 

[Mandrew968]

More pics from just now-didn't realize how big the leaf is.

[John hovancsek]

Licuala cabilonii or lauterbachii 

[Frond-friend42]

Catalonia seems like a possibility.  It's solitary. I think lauterbachii has more clustery infructescence. What about ferruginea?

[Frond-friend42]

I meant cabalonii,  not catalonia.

[Mandrew968]

It's definitely not ferruginea. I also agree it's not lauterbauchii; here is a shot of the inflorescence and it looks different along with many other factors.

[Frond-friend42]

Cabalionii, or naumanii. Or maybe rumphi. Just a few it could be. Have you ruled out spinosa?

[Mandrew968]

Ruled out spinosa. Have spinosa elsewhere and have never seen a solitary form, Also have paludosa and it's not that.

 

[Mandrew968]

It's also not this, Licuala parviflora. Nor is it fordiana or filiformis-have both of those.

[Mandrew968]

On 8/30/2022 at 11:45 AM, NatureGirl said:

Could it be Lic rumphii? I just received about 100 seeds of these I’m looking forward to planting. 

Looks like rumphii is always clustering. So I think we can rule that out. 

[Frond-friend42]

Licuala naumoniensis seems like a good candidate. To me🧐

[Frond-friend42]

Nah, maybe not. Infructescence looks wrong.

[Frond-friend42]

I think I know what it is. I think it is licuala peltata, var. peltata. Fits the inflorescence form and (in some pics) basic shape of the wheel.

[Mandrew968]

No. Had that and it didn't grow so well, and a much bigger palm.

[Frond-friend42]

Ok. If not that I tend to think it's cabalionii. After reading the descriptions it seems to fit with these singular runners of spikes hanging down. To be sure I would check if the primary and secondary branches of the inflorescences to see if there are bracts subheadings (or overlaying is what it looks like to me--green ones).  Palmpedia is my source.  I study it sometimes for fun.

[John Eve]

I took photos, got seeds from a similar palm in Chiang Mai, Thailand, and still cannot ID it. 
Leaves and seeds very similar to L Spinosa, except this is single-trunked.  Also, my seeds from this came up much faster than those of L Spinosa.

Still eager for a definitive ID.

[Frond-friend42]

Are you thinking this is the same licuala? To me it looks like the leaves are smaller and they look to by radially symmetric or the leaflets look to be of equal size. Maybe it's just the picture angle?

[Frond-friend42]

If those leaves are big, say 3.5 ft or 4 ft diameter (of the wheel) then I think this one might be paludosa. It can be clustering or solitary.

[John Eve]

The leaves of the Licuala in my photo are less than 1 metre, under 3 feet, however, it seems Paludosa is the most likely bet. This specimen was in a small pot with dry soil, whereas it might well have bigger leaves if it were in the very moist conditions it apparently likes..  I'll name it L. Paludosa until I have reason to think otherwise. 
Thanks for the suggestion.

[Mandrew968]

Beautiful palm, but I don't believe they are the same.