Zamia Vasquezii or Fisheri?

[Palmiz]

I know Firsheri is not common so just throwing it out there. Most likely it a Vasquezii but just making sure with the more  knowledgeable people on here.  Thanks in advance!

[Merlyn]

Do you have any photos of the whole plant?  I think the spines on the leaves means Vasquezii, but I am not 100% sure.

[Palmiz]

8 hours ago, Merlyn said:

Do you have any photos of the whole plant?  I think the spines on the leaves means Vasquezii, but I am not 100% sure.

I'll try my best to get one in the afternoon, it's pretty buried in the back 

[Palmiz]

16 hours ago, Merlyn said:

Do you have any photos of the whole plant?  I think the spines on the leaves means Vasquezii, but I am not 100% sure.

Not sure if these pictures are any better. No spines on it at all and new flush is bronze. Not sure if that helps at all

[Merlyn]

I think that the high number of pairs of leaves makes it a Vasquezii.  I counted at least 15 pairs on one frond.  Fischeri typically has 6 or so pairs, but almost never more than 12 pairs.  Vasquezii can flush bronze or green, I have both colors in my collection.  Vasquezii is supposed to have minute prickles on the petioles, but really it just feels like they are slightly rough.

The bottom 3 photos here are a good example of Fischeri leaves.  Most photos online are actually Vasquezii.  They are oblong-lanceolate with smooth texture and mostly smooth sides with small spines near the end.  https://www.agaveville.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=2927  The photos here are all true Vasquezii, with slightly ribbed and papery-thin leaves with significant toothiness all the way along the leaves: https://www.agaveville.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=2959   The Vasquezii leaves look very much like the fern Cyrtomium Falcatum.

Here's another good description on Vasquezii: http://www.llifle.net/Encyclopedia/PALMS_AND_CYCADS/Family/Zamiaceae/31908/Zamia_vazquezii

 

 

[Palmiz]

25 minutes ago, Merlyn said:

I think that the high number of pairs of leaves makes it a Vasquezii.  I counted at least 15 pairs on one frond.  Fischeri typically has 6 or so pairs, but almost never more than 12 pairs.  Vasquezii can flush bronze or green, I have both colors in my collection.  Vasquezii is supposed to have minute prickles on the petioles, but really it just feels like they are slightly rough.

The bottom 3 photos here are a good example of Fischeri leaves.  Most photos online are actually Vasquezii.  They are oblong-lanceolate with smooth texture and mostly smooth sides with small spines near the end.  https://www.agaveville.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=2927  The photos here are all true Vasquezii, with slightly ribbed and papery-thin leaves with significant toothiness all the way along the leaves: https://www.agaveville.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=2959   The Vasquezii leaves look very much like the fern Cyrtomium Falcatum.

Here's another good description on Vasquezii: http://www.llifle.net/Encyclopedia/PALMS_AND_CYCADS/Family/Zamiaceae/31908/Zamia_vazquezii

 

 

Thanks Arthur for confirming. Just wanted to make sure what I have. That fisheri has thinner and longer leaflets.  Thanks for alot of good info also!