Dypsis cabadae

[WaianaeCrider]

Got this labeled as Dypsis cabadae.  Could be?  No sign of clustering.  It's been the ground at least 5 years.

[Tracy]

1 hour ago, WaianaeCrider said:

Got this labeled as Dypsis cabadae.  Could be?  No sign of clustering. 

Looks something like what I got as Dypsis cabadae, which if it is right, is now Chrysalidocarpus cabadae.  The plant I am growing which came labeled this way looks a lot like my Chrysalidocarpus pembanus, just maybe a little smaller and leaflets seem a little narrower to me.  All that could be my imagination at work too, in that it was planted after all the C pembanus so is younger.

[Rob123]

They both look like Cabadae to me but I’m also new to the palm collecting game so I could be wrong. Mine is much smaller but starting to get a little bit more red fuzz like yours Tracy. 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Rob123

[Palm Tree Jim]

12 hours ago, Tracy said:

Looks something like what I got as Dypsis cabadae, which if it is right, is now Chrysalidocarpus cabadae.  The plant I am growing which came labeled this way looks a lot like my Chrysalidocarpus pembanus, just maybe a little smaller and leaflets seem a little narrower to me.  All that could be my imagination at work too, in that it was planted after all the C pembanus so is younger.

Tracy, I never had any luck growing cabadae in Orange County. It was marginal at best. The above plants do remind me of this species and I'm glad to see you are being successful with your plant!

[Tracy]

1 hour ago, Palm Tree Jim said:

Tracy, I never had any luck growing cabadae in Orange County. It was marginal at best. The above plants do remind me of this species and I'm glad to see you are being successful with your plant!

Jim, this is one of the reasons I'm a little hesitant on the id actually being cabadae.   I don't think I've seen any in other gardens here in Southern California so have nothing to compare it to in growth and form.  There is always a bug in my mind, thinking, no this is just another Chrysalidocarpus cabadae.  Hope all is going well with your new garden development.  You need to share what it looks like sometime!  Have you traded in your love of Encephalartos for Zamias and the Ceratozamias you could never grow outside a greenhouse up here? 

Edit:  Sorry for the off topic digression Steve.  Hopefully some of our friends from other parts of the world can weigh in on your id and the fact that your plant hasn't started forming new suckers yet.  I think mine already had one sucker when I got it.

[Palm Tree Jim]

Steve,

It is my understand that cabadae should sucker.

[realarch]

I’ve grown both C. cabadae and C. pembanus and just observing the two species, C. cabadae has a stiffer uptight leaf with thinner pinnae than C. pembanus. C. pembanus, in my garden, was a prolific clumper with suckers coming out everywhere. The two C. cabadae’s I’ve had only had one sucker each with taller thinner trunks.

The C. pembanus was removed and one of the C. cabadae was dug up and given away.

Here is a photo of the one remaining C. cabadae, tall and thin in the center of the image.

Tim  

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[John hovancsek]

My cabade looks just like yours does and didn’t throw any suckers till it was close to trunking but only has 3 at most . I will try to get a pic when I get home

[Dr. George]

This has been a quandary for me as well. I have one palm obtained as Cabadae that looks just like a more recently acquired one ID'd as Pembana. Palms of Madagascar has a good description of both Pembana and Cabadae (pgs 218 - 221). Both are clustering. The only major difference I can tell from the description and type drawings is the detail of the rachilla and character of the fruit at the base.

BTW - it's a great reference book.

gmp

 

[Tyrone]

Sometimes C cabadae doesn't cluster. I grew quite a few in Perth. The OP's palm is C cabadae. They're a very nice palm. I wish I could still grow them but its too cool for them down here. 

[tim_brissy_13]

2 hours ago, Tyrone said:

Sometimes C cabadae doesn't cluster. I grew quite a few in Perth. The OP's palm is C cabadae. They're a very nice palm. I wish I could still grow them but its too cool for them down here. 

Have you tried Tyrone? I’ve got a C cabadae x madagascariensis doing quite well here, although it’s in the absolute best microclimate on my property up against the house facing north west and possibly there’s some hybrid vigour there. But that sub family of Chrysalidocarpus seem to have some level of hardiness to cool; my C pembana x madagascariensis also is going ok but a bit banged up after this year’s cold winter. 
 

Agree that the OP is C cabadae. 

[Tyrone]

11 minutes ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

Have you tried Tyrone? I’ve got a C cabadae x madagascariensis doing quite well here, although it’s in the absolute best microclimate on my property up against the house facing north west and possibly there’s some hybrid vigour there. But that sub family of Chrysalidocarpus seem to have some level of hardiness to cool; my C pembana x madagascariensis also is going ok but a bit banged up after this year’s cold winter. 
 

Agree that the OP is C cabadae. 

My area is too wet in winter. I’m growing pembana but they don’t look great. They used too before the freezes set in over the years. Also the canopy for them is reducing as the wet winters have killed the Pinus radiata forest. C cabadae grew fine in Perth on a NE facing wall in sandy soil. 

[SDMort]

This seems like the right discussion to help me out!  This plant was sold to me as Pembana, but a very knowledgeable friend of mine thinks that’s wrong and that instead it’s cabadae.  To me the trunk of the larger section looks like Pembana images I’ve seen for here in so Cal, but then the smaller trunk is very copper colored leaning me to cabadae seedlings I’ve seen. 
what’s this knowledgeable group think I have here?

[tim_brissy_13]

3 minutes ago, SDMort said:

This seems like the right discussion to help me out!  This plant was sold to me as Pembana, but a very knowledgeable friend of mine thinks that’s wrong and that instead it’s cabadae.  To me the trunk of the larger section looks like Pembana images I’ve seen for here in so Cal, but then the smaller trunk is very copper colored leaning me to cabadae seedlings I’ve seen. 
what’s this knowledgeable group think I have here?

I think C cabadae too. 

[Tracy]

58 minutes ago, SDMort said:

This plant was sold to me as Pembana, but a very knowledgeable friend of mine thinks that’s wrong and that instead it’s cabadae.  To me the trunk of the larger section looks like Pembana images I’ve seen for here in so Cal, but then the smaller trunk is very copper colored leaning me to cabadae seedlings I’ve seen

Leaflets look a little narrow for C pembanus (formerly Dypsis pembana) and they are more upright which might be the things that lead your friend to come to the conclusion it might be C. cabadae instead.  Just a note that from the photos, the base of the larger trunk looks to be narrowing like it isn't getting enough water.  You might want to try upping the water to it and see if the leaves show less browning too.

What part of San Diego or neighborhood are you in?  San Diego encompasses a pretty big basket with a lot of microclimates.

[Tyrone]

1 hour ago, SDMort said:

This seems like the right discussion to help me out!  This plant was sold to me as Pembana, but a very knowledgeable friend of mine thinks that’s wrong and that instead it’s cabadae.  To me the trunk of the larger section looks like Pembana images I’ve seen for here in so Cal, but then the smaller trunk is very copper colored leaning me to cabadae seedlings I’ve seen. 
what’s this knowledgeable group think I have here?

Is it possible to get a picture of the entire plant? 

[SDMort]

Here’s a couple pictures of the entire plant.  The one frond got fried by the sun when I first brought it home perhaps a year ago, it’d been in the shade but up in Riverside where it’s much hotter in the summer and colder in the winter.  The other large frond has a little burn on its tip, which I don’t recall if came from sun or winter cold when it was just a spear.  It’s under the shade of a cockspur coral that provides relief from the sun (for now, until it grows up above that cover), and it’s north of a large patio structure that gives the area shade once the sun gets lower in the sky (like now).  
Tracy:
I’m located in Rancho Penasquitos, roughly 8 miles as the crow flies from the ocean.   We are close to a coastal canyon that tempers summer temps to something in between coastal and typical “inland” temps in summer.   Our yard can however sometimes see a cold dip for a few hours in the winter.   A cold winter morning sees temps in the 40’s but we can see 30’s on a few occasions and in the very rare case (maybe every few years), a short frost. 
this is probably my most “scraggly” looking palm I have so don’t judge too much, I’ve plenty of palms that look awesome!

[Tyrone]

4 hours ago, SDMort said:

Here’s a couple pictures of the entire plant.  The one frond got fried by the sun when I first brought it home perhaps a year ago, it’d been in the shade but up in Riverside where it’s much hotter in the summer and colder in the winter.  The other large frond has a little burn on its tip, which I don’t recall if came from sun or winter cold when it was just a spear.  It’s under the shade of a cockspur coral that provides relief from the sun (for now, until it grows up above that cover), and it’s north of a large patio structure that gives the area shade once the sun gets lower in the sky (like now).  
Tracy:
I’m located in Rancho Penasquitos, roughly 8 miles as the crow flies from the ocean.   We are close to a coastal canyon that tempers summer temps to something in between coastal and typical “inland” temps in summer.   Our yard can however sometimes see a cold dip for a few hours in the winter.   A cold winter morning sees temps in the 40’s but we can see 30’s on a few occasions and in the very rare case (maybe every few years), a short frost. 
this is probably my most “scraggly” looking palm I have so don’t judge too much, I’ve plenty of palms that look awesome!

I'm seeing cabadae in your specimen. Thanks for the bigger pic. I would probably keep it well watered. I reckon its a bit dry for it there. 

[SDMort]

I’ve definitely upgraded my irrigation to this and several other similar located palms.