Jump to content
  • WELCOME GUEST

    It looks as if you are viewing PalmTalk as an unregistered Guest.

    Please consider registering so as to take better advantage of our vast knowledge base and friendly community.  By registering you will gain access to many features - among them are our powerful Search feature, the ability to Private Message other Users, and be able to post and/or answer questions from all over the world. It is completely free, no “catches,” and you will have complete control over how you wish to use this site.

    PalmTalk is sponsored by the International Palm Society. - an organization dedicated to learning everything about and enjoying palm trees (and their companion plants) while conserving endangered palm species and habitat worldwide. Please take the time to know us all better and register.

    guest Renda04.jpg

Recommended Posts

Posted

No-tag palm planted in early 2018 that I thought might be a New Caledonia species, but clearly is not. Bo and I think it looks related to his much beefier Hydriastele cylindrocarpa, thus I tend to think Hydriastele— but which? I have some ideas, but would like to know what others can see in this palm.  A bit difficult to see in the photos, but the terminal leaflets are wider than the others, and all have notched tips.

@Bill Baker (Kew)
1A5B4254-AF21-4AFF-8C24-E59943A9BAFC.thumb.jpeg.96e64bb67d15f7c5dd3cb483becd80df.jpeg

7177CF9F-C01E-4F41-9097-DCC5FAB61E03.thumb.jpeg.f2a5463994a54869b6f208cb755300db.jpeg

ED19DCAA-3EF5-40BC-B436-C70ED57A4EB2.thumb.jpeg.3d9644ce0a865c6c0b1eee330df7e40c.jpeg

8219B7D9-1B04-4B0E-A622-500A0A30F470.thumb.jpeg.714afe12c734ec34b10532245398c883.jpeg

69C0DA3C-C659-4AE1-90DF-7CBB50B41E99.thumb.jpeg.06474c4bfb5efaae53a7861eaba63869.jpeg

  • Like 1

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Posted

Aloha Kim, I don’t think it’s a Hydriastele, no crown shaft and the pinnae look different. It reminds me of something in the memory bank, but there seems to be a short circuit at the moment. 

Tim

  • Like 2

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

Posted
17 minutes ago, realarch said:

 something in the memory bank, but there seems to be a short circuit at the moment. 

Tim

Ha-Ha, senior moments seem to occur with increasing frequency for me !     :D

  • Like 2

San Francisco, California

Posted

@realarch Might this palm resemble any you saw in Australia? 🧐

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Posted

It kinda reminds me of h. Cylindracarpa or hombronii. I am bad at spelling. 

Posted

I take the previous post back. H. Longaspatha the pic is the one I have. ( in the back)

FB9F52DC-2895-4C96-BE3A-3D790C95068E.jpeg

  • Like 1
  • Upvote 1
Posted

Hi John. Your palm looks a lot like mine, for sure. Are the leaflets somewhat irregularly spaced? On mine some of the leaflets are in a group of 3. 

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Posted

No but here is the one that I was thinking of but only know it is hydrastele

1D64218E-5C29-41EC-AA41-17CEEE54C5D5.jpeg

28486FBD-64B7-44FE-A814-3C2DE7F48A95.jpeg

B6A37831-467D-4C9E-8B89-A5E2A36B396E.jpeg

  • Like 1
Posted

Maybe h. Macrospadix. I wish I could be more helpful 

  • Like 1
Posted

Here is a pic of my h. Cylindrocarpa to help rule out what it’s not

image.jpg

image.jpg

  • Like 1
  • Upvote 1
Posted

Based on your photos, Hydriastele is a definite 'maybe.' 🙂 Perhaps once it begins flowering there will be more clues. It seems fairly fast growing -- are your Hydriastele fairly fast?  Thanks for the photos and help.

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Posted

Yes. Fast for me and I am higher than u . I am at about 1400 ft elevation 

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Sorry - late to the party... I think Hydriastele is a reasonable guess, esp if all the leaflets are praemorse (have that jagged, bitten-off look). Unfortunately, these things are really challenging to name (by me at least) until they are adult and flowering/fruiting. I am relatively comfortable with the New Guinea ones, though there are relatively few either side, so it should be possible to narrow it down in time. Patience needed unfortunately! 

  • Like 2
  • Upvote 1
Posted

Carpentaria acuminata

  • Like 1

Mike Ricigliano

New Smyrna beach

Florida, zone 9 Beachside

Posted
6 hours ago, Ricigliano said:

Carpentaria acuminata

Another possibility, I suppose. No idea where I would have picked one up, though.  Time will tell. 

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Posted
On 11/16/2022 at 12:24 AM, Bill Baker (Kew) said:

Sorry - late to the party... I think Hydriastele is a reasonable guess, esp if all the leaflets are praemorse (have that jagged, bitten-off look). Unfortunately, these things are really challenging to name (by me at least) until they are adult and flowering/fruiting. I am relatively comfortable with the New Guinea ones, though there are relatively few either side, so it should be possible to narrow it down in time. Patience needed unfortunately! 

Thanks for taking a look. This palm is growing faster than everything around it, so with luck I won't have to wait too long for more clues. :) Appreciate your reply, cheers. 

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Posted

Had a look at the fronds of some of my solitary Hydriasteles (longispatha, macrospadix, vitiense - all former Gulubias). Leaflets are broader than those shown in the pics, more closely spaced and very regularly spaced. Leaves are very arching in mature specimens. Only terminal leaflets are praemorse, others are lanceolate. Also have Hydriastele (Gulubia) costata, but that is very different with its pendant leaflets and pretty much unmistakeable. So, I can't help, sorry.

  • Like 1

Mike Merritt

Big Island of Hawaii, windward, rainy side, 740 feet (225 meters) elevation

165 inches (4,200 mm) of rain per year, 66 to 83 deg F (20 to 28 deg C) in summer, 62 to 80 deg F (16.7 to 26.7 Deg C) in winter.

Posted

Thanks for taking such a close look, Mike! I appreciate the response. At least it eliminates some of the possibilities.

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Posted

I would say Carpentaria

  • Like 1
Posted
1 hour ago, Mandrew968 said:

I would say Carpentaria

I'd say the same thing. Trunks of carpentaria look just like a foxtail. VERY fast growing species. Once trunked,my 2 both added 3 feet of wood each year in Arizona. But in Hawaii?

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

Posted

Carpentarias do very well here in East Hawaii Island, grow lightning-fast, and are often used for public landscaping. (I have four on the access road to my house.) But the leaves are very arching on mature specimens. Maybe they need some maturity before that happens.

Mike Merritt

Big Island of Hawaii, windward, rainy side, 740 feet (225 meters) elevation

165 inches (4,200 mm) of rain per year, 66 to 83 deg F (20 to 28 deg C) in summer, 62 to 80 deg F (16.7 to 26.7 Deg C) in winter.

Posted (edited)

Is there any Carpentarias in so cal that is known to survive?

Edited by Palmiz
Posted
8 hours ago, Palmiz said:

Is there any Carpentarias in so cal that is known to survive?

If they can be grown in Arizona, they HAVE to survive in So Cal... ( the 2 skinny trunks between the 2 royals are carpentaria)

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

20160418_172956.jpg

  • Like 3

Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

Posted
14 hours ago, aztropic said:

If they can be grown in Arizona, they HAVE to survive in So Cal... ( the 2 skinny trunks between the 2 royals are carpentaria)

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

20160418_172956.jpg

Very nicely grown Scott, I wish I could get my hands on one, haven't came across one for sale yet. But would like to get one someday. Thanks for the hope of growing one of these days. Trying to get my brother into palms, he lives in Gilbert. You have a nice collection in that crazy heat and cold, great work!

  • Like 1

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Recently Browsing

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...