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Beccariophoenix alfreddi orange???

Aleitalyyy

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hello palm lovers... Today I have a dilemma spinning in my head... Do you think it is possible for a beccariophoenix alfredii to be able to give it, through substances in the soil, an orange coloration of the leaf stems like the cocos nucifera of the orange cultivar? obviously the alfredii is green like a green coconut, but I wonder if it is possible through substances in the soil to make the alfredii palm orange like an orange coconut?

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Not as orange but they do have nice color that can remind one of the real deal. For us in Mediterranean climates we just have to use imagination. Looks pretty nice to me. 

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19 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said:

hello palm lovers... Today I have a dilemma spinning in my head... Do you think it is possible for a beccariophoenix alfredii to be able to give it, through substances in the soil, an orange coloration of the leaf stems like the cocos nucifera of the orange cultivar? obviously the alfredii is green like a green coconut, but I wonder if it is possible through substances in the soil to make the alfredii palm orange like an orange coconut?

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I'm sorry. It's not feasible. 

 

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PalmatierMeg Grand Master

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Just because two palm species have physical similarities doesn’t necessarily mean they are genetically capable of hybridizing. To my knowledge no one has successfully hybridized a coconut palm with another palm species. Cocos is a monotypical genus for a reason.

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Get a Jubaeopsis if that's the look you're going for

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On 11/21/2022 at 4:39 PM, PalmatierMeg said:

Just because two palm species have physical similarities doesn’t necessarily mean they are genetically capable of hybridizing. To my knowledge no one has successfully hybridized a coconut palm with another palm species. Cocos is a monotypical genus for a reason.

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hello my question was not if you can hybridize cocos with alfredii... I wanted to know if it is possible to make the leaves of an alfredii take on the orange color like a red or orange cocos ...

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4 hours ago, Zeeth said:

Get a Jubaeopsis if that's the look you're going for

Yes jubaeopsis has orange petiole like coconut

 

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33 minutes ago, Aleitalyyy said:

hello my question was not if you can hybridize cocos with alfredii... I wanted to know if it is possible to make the leaves of an alfredii take on the orange color like a red or orange cocos ...

How would you do this, other than applying orange paint?  LOL.  The only other possibility is discovering a seedling mutant with this characteristic and selectively breeding it.

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1 hour ago, gilles06 said:

Yes jubaeopsis has orange petiole like coconut

 

Mine is rather yellow I would say. At least the rachis.

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2 hours ago, gilles06 said:

Yes jubaeopsis has orange petiole like coconut

 

This. And you'll get a two for one.

 

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For hybridizing it's all about chromosomes. If they have the same numbers of chromosomes between the two species then a cross is a possibility. 

 

For the coloring you desire you would have to do years of selective breeding- like the Japanese do with Koi.

The easy out is to look for a colorful Jubaeopsis. Even then, the coloring is variable from specimen to specimen. My jubaeopsis is a yellow color on the petioles. Some are orange, some are green. Leaf-wise it's one of the closest things you can grow if you can't crow coconuts.

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thanks guys you are legendary and well informed as always ... yes I have a coconut in a pot but with a green stalk, because the orange coconut plants are not found in Europe ... and therefore I was looking for an alternative ....

 

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thinking about it, a hybrid between jubaeopsis caffra x syagrus would be nice

you would get something really nice and very similar to coconut...

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@GottmitAlex hi alex, i found this beccariophoenix alfredii here in italy sold online at a good price...

but it seems strange to me the stem too wide and thick ... in your opinion is a beccariophoenix??

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everyone's opinion is welcome, thank you

 

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Do you have a more detailed picture of the base?

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@GottmitAlex unfortunately not.. there is only this one on the site..

would you buy it? more than anything I do not understand the base is very thick ...

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maybe it grew in the greenhouse and thickened the stem much more than normal? it also seems to me an old plant in that small vase for years ...

 

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7 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said:

@GottmitAlex hi alex, i found this beccariophoenix alfredii here in italy sold online at a good price...

but it seems strange to me the stem too wide and thick ... in your opinion is a beccariophoenix??

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Yes, that is a Beccariophoenix.

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4 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said:

@GottmitAlex unfortunately not.. there is only this one on the site..

would you buy it? more than anything I do not understand the base is very thick ...

Are there any other Alfie's for sale elsewhere in your area? If not, then go for it. I would if I didn't have one.

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nothing. there are no other alfies for sale...

I also wrote to baby palm that Spanish site, but they are on sale starting from February....

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thanks guys... I'll keep you posted

 

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4 minutes ago, Aleitalyyy said:

nothing. there are no other alfies for sale...

I also wrote to baby palm that Spanish site, but they are on sale starting from February....

Go for it

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For what price?

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15 hours ago, gilles06 said:

Per quale prezzo?

hello dear, it costs 55 euros..

What do you suggest?

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8 minutes ago, Aleitalyyy said:

hello dear, it costs 55 euros..

What do you suggest?

Get it and plant it. 

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That's cheap. It would be a good candidate at your place.

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lowest t° 2008/2009 : 33F

lowest t° 2007/2008 : 32F

lowest t° 2006/2007 : 35F

lowest t° 2005/2006 : 27F

lowest t° 2004/2005 : 25F

Historical lowest t° 1985 : 18F

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8 hours ago, GottmitAlex said:

Prendilo e piantalo. 

alex you also had beccariophoenix Finestralis??? from what I see as an adult it's more coconut...

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6 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said:

alex you also had beccariophoenix Finestralis??? from what I see as an adult it's more coconut...

I did. It didn't make it.  I then opted for the alfredii which is growing nicely.

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@GottmitAlexdidn't make it because of the cold? or for other reasons? so it's not that strong?

 

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9 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said:

@GottmitAlexdidn't make it because of the cold? or for other reasons? so it's not that strong?

 

Fenestralis' are less cold hardy than Alfie's and madagascariensis.

And more finicky with requirements. They love to have humidity.  They are a tough grow in my region.  

 

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my god, i thought it was stronger than a coconut...

I remembered that in 2016/17 you had one that was already pretty big...

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Someone at that nursery was way too aggressive with the pruning shears and should have used that time to upsize it to a 20g before it got so root bound. Regardless I'm sure it will end up doing just fine, just needs to be planted out ASAP. She's begging for a home!

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Someone at that nursery was way too aggressive with the pruning shears and should have used that time to upsize it to a 20g before it got so root bound. Regardless I'm sure it will end up doing just fine, just needs to be planted out ASAP. She's begging for a home!

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guys does anyone know in europe where i can find a beccariophoenix alfredii? i live in italy...so anyone who has to sell here in europe...thanks

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What happened to the original one you mentioned?

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8 hours ago, GottmitAlex said:

What happened to the original one you mentioned?

after I placed the order online, the garden center seller informed me that it was finished .... so they refunded me ...

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15 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said:

guys does anyone know in europe where i can find a beccariophoenix alfredii? i live in italy...so anyone who has to sell here in europe...thanks

Did you contact Fabio MAIO http://www.piantetropicali.com/tropicalsicily/pianta.php?AREA=2&pianta=0&offset=0

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elevation 328 feet

distance from mediteranean sea 1,1 mile

lowest t° 2009/2010 : 27F

lowest t° 2008/2009 : 33F

lowest t° 2007/2008 : 32F

lowest t° 2006/2007 : 35F

lowest t° 2005/2006 : 27F

lowest t° 2004/2005 : 25F

Historical lowest t° 1985 : 18F

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