What palms can be wrapped up untill spring?

[Palmfarmer]

Cold nights are incoming and I thought Just wrap up the least cold hardy palms with Christmaslights and burlap. The species in question are Majesty, Kentia, Teddybear and lastly a small mango tree. 
I am also wondering what the most effective way of wrapping them would be. I was thinking tienupmthe fronds first then do a layer of burlap, twirl christmas lights around it then another layer of burlap and lastly a plastic bag to help the heat get trapped.

does this method sound good or is it better to twirl the lights around the palm before covering it with Burlap. Thankyaw

[Palmfarmer]

Forgot the last species, I got a really small green bismarckia, can it handle a couple months without sun as well? 

[Tracy]

I admit to having no experience with this.   I would be worried about having the Christmas lights in contact with anything flammable 

[GottmitAlex]

I have an uncle who lives in "Durango(city),  Durango(State)" that's how he says it.  Last night it got to 2C.

He's not into plants, much less palms,  he's pretty accurate with weather over there.  He loves the cold.  Says the water pipes bust  because of the cold.  I suggest a brood lamp trained on the palms 

 

[Jim in Los Altos]

Seriously, with this climate, I wouldn’t be wrapping anything except on any night that goes down well below average…say mid 20s. Your daytime temperature warm up quickly it appears. 

[Silas_Sancona]

Here's the **current** 10 day forecasts for a couple stations i could find listed there on Wx Underground. ** FYI:  Wx Underground 10 day forecast can change a few times during a given day. Pays to check the nearest station to your location a few times per day and plan accordingly.

.. Agree w/ Jim, except for very cold sensitive things, on the coldest nights, wouldn't wrap.. Hardy stuff will be fine. Anything you decide to cover/ wrap for the night?  be sure to unwrap during the day..

...Even though the suggested highs in the forecast only appear to get into the 70s most days,  it can be much hotter under the "wrap"  which can cause more stress / damage.  You only want to leave the cover on if your highs stay below 60F and it is cloudy. 

[Tracy]

The only other comment on regional temps is that they aren't guaranteed.   Microclimates created by cold drainage in a canyon will blow any regional numbers out.  This time of year, beach temps at dawn can vary by 10 degrees Fahrenheit between protected spots and the middle of beaches with lagoons and valleys funneling colder air.  Same city so the "typical" city highs and lows are the same if one relies on that data.  

Get a thermometer or weather station to understand your specific temp ranges over time.  Use the generic weather data for your city as a guideline for frequency of deviations.

[GottmitAlex]

1 hour ago, Tracy said:

The only other comment on regional temps is that they aren't guaranteed.   Microclimates created by cold drainage in a canyon will blow any regional numbers out.  This time of year, beach temps at dawn can vary by 10 degrees Fahrenheit between protected spots and the middle of beaches with lagoons and valleys funneling colder air.  Same city so the "typical" city highs and lows are the same if one relies on that data.  

Get a thermometer or weather station to understand your specific temp ranges over time.  Use the generic weather data for your city as a guideline for frequency of deviations.

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[Palmfarmer]

2 hours ago, Tracy said:

The only other comment on regional temps is that they aren't guaranteed.   Microclimates created by cold drainage in a canyon will blow any regional numbers out.  This time of year, beach temps at dawn can vary by 10 degrees Fahrenheit between protected spots and the middle of beaches with lagoons and valleys funneling colder air.  Same city so the "typical" city highs and lows are the same if one relies on that data.  

Get a thermometer or weather station to understand your specific temp ranges over time.  Use the generic weather data for your city as a guideline for frequency of deviations.

Yes Microclimates are everything. I need to set up my thermometer again. 2 years ago I logged the winter and it was fairly consistant with the eastern city forecast. 
however the most extreme example I have seen on Microclimate here is once we had a -1 and -2 dip in a row. My Bananaplant froze around 30-40% while 200 meters away there is another Bananaplant planted on the side of the road with a very slight incline. It had 0 damage not even a little tip burn and it was bearing fruit. These bananas are not cold hardy ones, but Dominican Bananas. 

[Palmfarmer]

22 hours ago, GottmitAlex said:

I have an uncle who lives in "Durango(city),  Durango(State)" that's how he says it.  Last night it got to 2C.

He's not into plants, much less palms,  he's pretty accurate with weather over there.  He loves the cold.  Says the water pipes bust  because of the cold.  I suggest a brood lamp trained on the palms 

 

That is correct. That must have been a fairly long time ago. I have heard horror stories from locals that it got -15 once 5 years ago. I dont believe it or they must have mistaken it for a reading further up in the mountains or perhaps it happened a lot longer ago. Reason being is that queens are everywhere in the city and a lot of big older queens and other palms around. So unless they replaced most of the palms in the city allmost immidiatly with huge old ones its simply not possible. 

[GottmitAlex]

Dunno about the -15c. However  -5c dips are not uncommon. 

My relatives there live by Guadiana park. 

I guess, smack in the center of the city (downtown).  I still recommend for tropicals (not queen's etc) a brood lamp. 

 

 

 

 

[Allen]

On 11/22/2022 at 6:23 PM, Palmfarmer said:

Cold nights are incoming and I thought Just wrap up the least cold hardy palms with Christmaslights and burlap. The species in question are Majesty, Kentia, Teddybear and lastly a small mango tree. 
I am also wondering what the most effective way of wrapping them would be. I was thinking tienupmthe fronds first then do a layer of burlap, twirl christmas lights around it then another layer of burlap and lastly a plastic bag to help the heat get trapped.

does this method sound good or is it better to twirl the lights around the palm before covering it with Burlap. Thankyaw

If cool weather (40's, 50's F) then I'd say most palms can be without sunlight for months.  Smaller mini lights can be wrapped directly on the palm then burlap or frost cloth mummy wrapped over.  If building a box type enclosure you can put lights in the box or outside the wraps.  But like others I'm not sure what you need to protect in your climate. 

On 11/22/2022 at 11:19 PM, Tracy said:

I admit to having no experience with this.   I would be worried about having the Christmas lights in contact with anything flammable 

The bigger C9 type lights start getting worrisome but the mini lights can be wrapped under burlap or anything just fine.  Think of all the stuff people put on their Christmas tree indoors and they don't burn.  Mythbusters did a special on this.   Usually a fire is caused by a bad wire or too many lights plugged together and not the lights themselves catching something on fire.

[JLM]

I have so far only had one bad experience with wrapping my palms with christmas lights. One morning i unwrapped my backyard queen from a cold night, and realized that half the lights i put on there wasnt working anymore (i used 2 strands). Once the lights were taken off i found that a small section of the wires had melted, and because these mini lights turn off by themselves when something goes wrong, it did not catch the palm on fire.

This has only happened one time, and it was an old strand of lights. Use newer lights. You dont have to buy new lights every winter but every few years it might be good to replace them.

[SeanK]

The weekly weather report shows Friday and Saturday after Thanksgiving at 67°/74° with 28° in-between.  Hard to say how many hours below freezing.  My guess is a tarp to prevent frost but that's it.

Edited November 24, 2022 by SeanK
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[GottmitAlex]

Tarps (if the palms are short/small enough ) but don't envelope them in the tarps (tenting).  Just so they won't get frost.   If you tent the palms completely, they will root rot. This has been my experience.