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Trachycarpus Hybrids observation.

steve617

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steve617 Community Regular

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A few of the T. Hybrids I have are Nova x Waggie and Nanus x Waggie.  I have I think 4 or 5 Nova x Waggie. Their about 1 year old and at first seemed fairly fast growing. I've never had Nova but at this point I don't see any Waggie traits. Also the nanus x waggie I was hoping would be a dwarf trunking palm. Had a couple mention they don't think it will trunk. Still nice. Here is a few pics. Soy assessment is the waggie seems recessive however I have some waggie × bulgaria they seem like they may have some waggie traits. However from what I read since the waggie on that cross is the female may carry more of the waggie gene. 

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Allen Grand Master

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You've got a lot of nice Trachy hybrids going on!

YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7A palms - (Sabal) minor(8 large + 27 seedling size, 3 dwarf),  brazoria(1) , birmingham(3), etonia (1) louisiana(4), palmetto (1), riverside (1),  tamaulipas (1), (Trachycarpus) fortunei(7+), wagnerianus(1+),  Rhapidophyllum hystrix(7),  22'  Mule-Butia x Syagrus(1),  Blue Butia odorata (1), Serenoa repens (1) +Tons of tropical plants.  Recent Yearly Lows -6F, -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F

 

steve617 Community Regular

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Thanks Allen, now if my Princeps seeds will start germinating. Oh want you know how much I appreciate your videos. I've gave 3 coworkers a Fortunei a couple days and links to your YouTube channel.

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Allen Grand Master

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Thanks!  Well if some of my stuff dies in the future you and @teddytn will have to hook me up!  Both of you are growing a lot of GREAT stuff in TN.  I'm not too good at that part.  

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YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7A palms - (Sabal) minor(8 large + 27 seedling size, 3 dwarf),  brazoria(1) , birmingham(3), etonia (1) louisiana(4), palmetto (1), riverside (1),  tamaulipas (1), (Trachycarpus) fortunei(7+), wagnerianus(1+),  Rhapidophyllum hystrix(7),  22'  Mule-Butia x Syagrus(1),  Blue Butia odorata (1), Serenoa repens (1) +Tons of tropical plants.  Recent Yearly Lows -6F, -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F

 

NWpalms@206 Experienced

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Love some trachy hybrids! I’ve got several from Patrick I’m looking forward to getting some size. And I have a few hundred Nanus open pollinated hybrid seeds germinating now. so mix bag of nanus x all Patricks properties trachys, basically all sp. 

wag x princeps 1gal

nanus x princeps 5gal

nanus x wag 15gal

nova (princeps green form) x “hard leaf” (princeps stonegate) 15gal

nanus x nova (princeps green form) 7gal

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RJ Grand Master

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I’d like to try some crosses with the more tender trachy’s . 

Joe NC Proficient

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My wag x princeps. 

Probably one of the bigger ones around?  It has more blue on the undersides of the leaves than you can see in this photo.

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steve617 Community Regular

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2 hours ago, Joe NC said:

My wag x princeps. 

Probably one of the bigger ones around?  It has more blue on the undersides of the leaves than you can see in this photo.

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Very nice. That's the biggest one I've seen. I have 2 of that cross I n 1 gallon pots.

SeanK Veteran

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On 12/11/2022 at 9:37 AM, steve617 said:

Thanks Allen, now if my Princeps seeds will start germinating. Oh want you know how much I appreciate your videos. I've gave 3 coworkers a Fortunei a couple days and links to your YouTube channel.

In the summer, I just toss the fruits into a mulch pile and water. They germinate in about 6 weeks. Probably need a heat mat this time of year.

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5 minutes ago, SeanK said:

In the summer, I just toss the fruits into a mulch pile and water. They germinate in about 6 weeks. Probably need a heat mat this time of year.

I've heard several say princeps may take 6 months to over a year. I recently put mine on heat mats so that should help 

steve617 Community Regular

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19 hours ago, NWpalms@206 said:

Love some trachy hybrids! I’ve got several from Patrick I’m looking forward to getting some size. And I have a few hundred Nanus open pollinated hybrid seeds germinating now. so mix bag of nanus x all Patricks properties trachys, basically all sp. 

wag x princeps 1gal

nanus x princeps 5gal

nanus x wag 15gal

nova (princeps green form) x “hard leaf” (princeps stonegate) 15gal

nanus x nova (princeps green form) 7gal

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Nice collection.

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On 12/11/2022 at 6:15 AM, steve617 said:

Also the nanus x waggie I was hoping would be a dwarf trunking palm. Had a couple mention they don't think it will trunk.

Nanus x wag is dwarf trunking. It grows a little sideways first like nanus but then up, I don’t believe it will ever be above 6ft of trunk mature. There’s a few pics on google. Nanus x nova likely same In 2nd pic. 

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steve617 Community Regular

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45 minutes ago, NWpalms@206 said:

Nanus x wag is dwarf trunking. It grows a little sideways first like nanus but then up, I don’t believe it will ever be above 6ft of trunk mature. There’s a few pics on google. Nanus x nova likely same In 2nd pic. 

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That be great to get a trunk that big. I have I think 8 of them. There still pretty small. I did check the info on mine and says Nanus x Waggie F2. I'll have to take a look at them closer. Thanks

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fr8train Experienced

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On 12/12/2022 at 5:19 PM, steve617 said:

I've heard several say princeps may take 6 months to over a year. I recently put mine on heat mats so that should help 

Have you been able to get them to germinate? 

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steve617 Community Regular

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Still nothing germinating. I've got a feeling none will.

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fr8train Experienced

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I'm trying some seeds too, so far nothing, but I sowed them in March. 

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Jimhardy Mentor

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Likely the "Bulgarian Trachy" has some similar genetics to Waggie or shares some Waggie blood

and thats why you see some traits come out...honestly nothing against trying a Nova x Waggie

cross but it seems to me that this would just create a Fortune type looking palm.

 

Interesting though that we do see wonderful traits exhibited in the Princeps x Waggie cross.

ZPalms Grand Master

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On 12/13/2022 at 8:22 PM, NWpalms@206 said:

Nanus x wag is dwarf trunking. It grows a little sideways first like nanus but then up, I don’t believe it will ever be above 6ft of trunk mature. There’s a few pics on google. Nanus x nova likely same In 2nd pic. 

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I bought my trachy from a nursery like this, why does this even happen?

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On 6/6/2023 at 8:03 PM, steve617 said:

Still nothing germinating. I've got a feeling none will.

Same here regarding princeps, been about a year now 😐

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21 hours ago, Jimhardy said:

Likely the "Bulgarian Trachy" has some similar genetics to Waggie or shares some Waggie blood

and thats why you see some traits come out...honestly nothing against trying a Nova x Waggie

cross but it seems to me that this would just create a Fortune type looking palm.

 

Interesting though that we do see wonderful traits exhibited in the Princeps x Waggie cross.

So cool to see you! I remember you from garden web from like over a decade ago. How are all your palms? I remember they were getting big years ago. 

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Jimhardy Mentor

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They have all come and gone unfortuneiatly. haha

I moved to the other side of town and had a nice collection of small palms T.Manipur (Naga Hills) T.Takil,T.Oreophilus,T.Gemenisectus

T.Princeps x Wagnerianus, T.Princeps and T.Latisectus but had the lights go off in the December freeze...planted some new stuff this spring

but just to stay on topic...heres a pic of last years T.Princeps x T.Wagnerianus.

 

I do have some new palms in this year and a good sized tree fern going.

 

Good to see you here!

 

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