sable minor vs needle Palm

[PaPalmTrees]

needle Palm                       vs                    sable minor

[PaPalmTrees]

7 minutes ago, PaPalmTree said:

 

 

 

sable minor needle palm 

Edited February 20, 2023 by PaPalmTree

[PaPalmTrees]

one of my favorite palm trees is needle palm but the needle palm isn't that sturdy to snow but sable minor a sturdy to snow and ice the windmill palm is sturdy to snow and ice I've even heard reports of a growing up against the house in Zone 6B with  protection c9 Christmas lights and protected when needed 

[PaPalmTrees]

windmill palm 

[SeanK]

Needle palms are more finicky to wet soil in winter. Sabal minor works in sun-shade-wet-dry. 

[Quasarecho]

I've got Sabal Minor in pots indoors during winters. Needle Palm planted out for nearly 2 years zone 6A with minimal protection on South side of the house. Even pushing out new spears here in Feb. My vote may change to S. Minor once I plant out the McCurtain seedlings I've got going.

[GregVirginia7]

My McCurtain here in zone 7, Northern Virginia, has been indestructible…very slow growing but carefree, protection free…wants a fair amount of water and would do better in more sun but very adaptable.

[Quasarecho]

18 minutes ago, GregVirginia7 said:

My McCurtain here in zone 7, Northern Virginia, has been indestructible…very slow growing but carefree, protection free…wants a fair amount of water and would do better in more sun but very adaptable.

That sounds encouraging! 

[ChicagoPalma]

Here in Chicago the winters tend to be 6a/5b, and the windmill palm I planted last summer is doing well and recovering after being fried by the c9 lights even during the cold.  So, considering what is the coldest zone a palm tree is in here in the us, that could be mine.

10 hours ago, PaPalmTree said:

one of my favorite palm trees is needle palm but the needle palm isn't that sturdy to snow but sable minor a sturdy to snow and ice the windmill palm is sturdy to snow and ice I've even heard reports of a growing up against the house in Zone 6B with  protection c9 Christmas lights and protected when needed 

 

[PaPalmTrees]

This year I'm planning on getting a big sable miner From northeastohiopalmtrees.com/shop

[ChicagoPalma]

I've heard of them, but their selection of cold hardy palms is rather small, staying only around the sabal, needle, and windmill.

[ChicagoPalma]

They have similar zone up north in Ohio, so they have temps just like Chicago.

[Brandon James]

7 hours ago, PaPalmTree said:

This year I'm planning on getting a big sable miner From northeastohiopalmtrees.com/shop

Other than mY big outdoor Trachy and the pindo palm I purchased in 2014 in Daytona beach. I’ve got the 4 sabals, a needle and two small Trachys from him

[PaPalmTrees]

COOL i'm gonna get my first Sable from him their good price

[Brandon James]

2 hours ago, PaPalmTree said:

COOL i'm gonna get my first Sable from him their good price

 
above is the needle palm I purchased last spring from him and above it is the sabals I purchased two years ago, and I added a few more with the first two last spring. The coldest temp this winter we had was -14 with windchills in the -40s. I put the green frost blanket along with a comforter ontop that and other than one palm defoliating its spears are all still good. We’ve had 61 degrees and 50 days here and there since. No spear pull. 
 

 

[Alex Zone 5]

Couldn't make up my mind minor to the left and needle right side, plus a little clump of serenoa right bottom(lighter shade of green)

This summer though will be all minor, already purchased a 15 gallon,7 gallon and 3 gallon Louisiana.

[PaPalmTrees]

Sable minor is better if you live in a snowy place Needle Palm is better If you live in more rain Plays

[PaPalmTrees]

needle-palm is hardy to -15f sable-minor is hardy to -5f

[PaPalmTrees]

it got to 0 f in zone 6

[ChicagoPalma]

I can do an experiment for next winter, I will plant needle palm and sabal minor palm seeds around my neighborhood and by my house to see how they grow and how they will do during the winters. I’m not really worried about them being invasive as I might put them near or at microclimates and the seedlings they may have when they flower and get seeds might not survive the winter, and either way they don’t get too big.

[ChicagoPalma]

Where do you live anyways, @Alex Zone 5? I’m in Chicago suburbs. 

3 hours ago, Alex Zone 5 said:

Couldn't make up my mind minor to the left and needle right side, plus a little clump of serenoa right bottom(lighter shade of green)

This summer though will be all minor, already purchased a 15 gallon,7 gallon and 3 gallon Louisiana.

 

Edited February 21, 2023 by ChicagoPalma

[PaPalmTrees]

I got a Needle Palm Seedling in Williamsburg Virginia I'm planning on planting at this Spring

[Alex Zone 5]

22 hours ago, ChicagoPalma said:

Where do you live anyways, @Alex Zone 5? I’m in Chicago suburbs. 

 

Chambly Quebec south of Montreal 

Were are zone 5 some say 4...🙄

[Allen]

I covered this a bit minor vs needle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQIR66ZUiCE

[PaPalmTrees]

ok

 

[PaPalmTrees]

Just planted my sago Palm is It used to be in a pot sunk in the ground

[PalmatierMeg]

On 2/21/2023 at 5:47 PM, PaPalmTree said:

I got a Needle Palm Seedling in Williamsburg Virginia I'm planning on planting at this Spring

I strongly suggest you grow that 1-leaf seedling to at least 3g size before planting it outdoors in PA. There are too many things that can befall a tiny palm seedling, so you should not risk losing it by rushing it into the ground.

[PaPalmTrees]

ok

[PaPalmTrees]

I have always heard people say plant them  young

[PaPalmTrees]

I'll listen to you you'll probably have more experience

[PalmatierMeg]

1 hour ago, PaPalmTree said:

I have always heard people say plant them  young

A 3g needle palm is hardly geriatric. Fair warning: needle palm seedlings are very slow growing and long PA winters do them no favor if you keep them outdoors. If you are too impatient to wait up to several years for that, at least grow it potted until the leaves go palmate and the palm has a strong root system. Also, keep it and all palms in deep pots, esp. trunkless palms, which grow underground stems. When and if you do plant your needle figure on never moving it again. That also applies to Sabals with less than 4-6’ clear trunk. Digging them up will fatally damage the growing point.

[PaPalmTrees]

okI have two needle palms in the 
 ground our our winters are two to three months long where I live 

[PaPalmTrees]

I will grow into a two to three gallon

[PaPalmTrees]

I found a good place to buy a sabal- Miner https://www.etsy.com/listing/1295548614/sabal-minor-palm-3yr-old-dwarf-palmetto?click_key=32e3909b7f5348a11fc69374f4c29eaf93a0f77a%3A1295548614&click_sum=0a153674&ref=hp_rv-3