Best palms to grow here in Chicago

[jwitt]

4 hours ago, Foxpalms said:

I have seen the way it has massively effected the attention span of people. It's definitely a waste of time, it promotes scrolling and scrolling looking for the next best video. Since the Dopamine is released whilst scrolling and scrolling trying to find the next best thing, not whilst watching the video they enjoy, it massively effects their attention spans. Not to mention all the other negatives!

Sounds like palmphiles on Palmtalk

[ChicagoPalma]

5 hours ago, Foxpalms said:

I have seen the way it has massively effected the attention span of people. It's definitely a waste of time, it promotes scrolling and scrolling looking for the next best video. Since the Dopamine is released whilst scrolling and scrolling trying to find the next best thing, not whilst watching the video they enjoy, it massively effects their attention spans. Not to mention all the other negatives!

I don’t have TikTok but occasionally I scroll on yt shorts, samething but less disturbing and disgusting. Usually it comes up with a hobby I’m interested, then I scroll and it goes down to something else and it’s mind  numbing. I try to stop watching yt shorts and the vacation in Mexico helped out.

[Z4Devil]

On 2/23/2023 at 5:52 PM, Sabal King said:

I really can't believe anyone is entertaining this discussion.. Having lived my entire life in Chicago, minus the last three years moving to Texas this is not adventurous, it's just a fools errand.  Honestly what are you going to do (if it even survives for any length of time) when they get big enough to no longer be able to build a box?  You need to think about 3-5 yrs out... not when things are 12-24" tall..

Nothing more to add. ❤️
Besides the coldness at the Eastern coast, you have to consider blizzards, storms and really icy and long winters.
We had 3 younger blue Chamerops humilis cerifera in the ground for about 2 years - they didn't survive the last winter with snow and temperatures around minus 20 °C. The only palm which CAN be able to handle this is Trachycarpus, in an ideal world acclimatized at least in the region around the Chinese mountains; only they can handle extreme coldness and masses of snow. Don't buy a specimen which were cultivated in subtropical or hotter areas, the won't make it.

And a heating wire at least is absolutely necessary to avoid root damages.

[Arecaceus]

19 minutes ago, Z4Devil said:

Nothing more to add. ❤️
Besides the coldness at the Eastern coast, you have to consider blizzards, storms and really icy and long winters.
We had 3 younger blue Chamerops humilis cerifera in the ground for about 2 years - they didn't survive the last winter with snow and temperatures around minus 20 °C. The only palm which CAN be able to handle this is Trachycarpus, in an ideal world acclimatized at least in the region around the Chinese mountains; only they can handle extreme coldness and masses of snow. Don't buy a specimen which has been growed in subtropical or hotter areas, the won't make it.

And a heating wire at least is absolutely necessary to avoid root damages.

You had -20°C in Gladbeck??? 🤯😲

[Sabal King]

18 minutes ago, Z4Devil said:

Nothing more to add. ❤️
Besides the coldness at the Eastern coast, you have to consider blizzards, storms and really icy and long winters.
We had 3 younger blue Chamerops humilis cerifera in the ground for about 2 years - they didn't survive the last winter with snow and temperatures around minus 20 °C. The only palm which CAN be able to handle this is Trachycarpus, in an ideal world acclimatized at least in the region around the Chinese mountains; only they can handle extreme coldness and masses of snow. Don't buy a specimen which has been growed in subtropical or hotter areas, the won't make it.

And a heating wire at least is absolutely necessary to avoid root damages.

I need to unsubscribe from this thread because it truly is insane and it has only gotten worse..  First it was growing Trachys, then flourishing Sabals in Chicago, then Washingtonia, now gene splicing palms, I mean this is just insane.  None of this is going to work seriously..   Why is anyone egging any of this on?  Mods, please just stop this insanity now, for all of our sake.

[Z4Devil]

5 minutes ago, Hortulanus said:

You had -20°C in Gladbeck??? 🤯😲

Yes, for 4 or 5 days, it was horrible.
@ Sabal King: agree. My post should just be a CAN and with only one special palm. No warranty at all because I don't believe that this advanture would work. If any palm is prepared for this climate, it would grow there. 

[Arecaceus]

1 minute ago, Z4Devil said:

Yes, for 4 or 5 days, it was horrible.

When? And Gladbeck near Bottrop? Or another Gladbeck? 😨

[Z4Devil]

3 minutes ago, Hortulanus said:

When? And Gladbeck near Bottrop? Or another Gladbeck? 😨

Exactly this Gladbeck. The garden was simply frozen to ice.  The Trachy (height of about 5 m) survived with a heating wire and special coverage but some less leave damages.
Happened in December or January 22/23.

[Arecaceus]

Just now, Z4Devil said:

Exactly this Gladbeck. The garden was simply frozen to ice.  The Trachy (height of about 5 m) survived with a heating wire and special coverage but some less with leave damages.

OMG! This is horrendous! When did this happen?

[Z4Devil]

Just now, Hortulanus said:

OMG! This is horrendous! When did this happen?

Have edited my post above. 🙂

 

[Arecaceus]

1 minute ago, Hortulanus said:

OMG! This is horrendous! When did this happen?

I'm sorry didn't see you answered that.

[Arecaceus]

Just now, Z4Devil said:

Have edited my post above. 🙂

 

Oh.. And I thought I was stupid for a moment 😂 But how could it have gotten so cold in Gladbeck? The lows I had were -6°C/-7°C shortly. But several nights that cold and some days without getting above freezing.

[Z4Devil]

No problem at all - editing can avoid double post but also a notification in time.
No idea why we had such a coldness. Not long but 4 or 5 days meant the death of the 3 blues. Don't need this again, seriously.

[Arecaceus]

1 minute ago, Z4Devil said:

No problem at all - editing can avoid double post but also a notification in time.

OK. 😂 I'm totally blown away by this. I just can't believe it. 🤷‍♂️😂 I mean -20°C? That would be 13 to 14 degrees colder than in my garden in the south of Düsseldorf.

[Z4Devil]

Yes. And all around us didn't confirm such temperatures - just we and parts of Bottrop and Gelsenkirchen close to GLA. A real strange weather phenomenon.

[Arecaceus]

Just now, Z4Devil said:

Yes. And all around us didn't confirm such temperatures - just we and parts of Bottrop and Gelsenkirchen close to GLA. A real strange weather phenomenon.

This reminds me of our weather station at Düsseldorf airport. I mean airport weather stations are known to be colder than streets with houses but it seems to be in a cold spot at our airport, because there is another official weather station just at Messe, which is not far from the airport, only a bit south and it's usually 4 to 5 degrees warmer when frost occurs. Did this happen before or just this winter?

[Z4Devil]

It happened right in the middle when the temperatures cooled down significantly. Our garden is a bit outside an in a freestanding area. Guess this has an impact.

[Arecaceus]

1 minute ago, Z4Devil said:

It happened right in the middle when the temperatures cooled down significantly. Our garden is a bit outside an in a freestanding area. Guess this has an impact.

Yes there are some phenomenons that can cause such things. This also happens in the alps where extremely cold temperatures get measured in valleys due to the cold air flowing down and gathering. A friend of mine also measured -18°C at a creek in the Eifel when it was much warmer at his house.

[ChicagoPalma]

1 hour ago, Sabal King said:

I need to unsubscribe from this thread because it truly is insane and it has only gotten worse..  First it was growing Trachys, then flourishing Sabals in Chicago, then Washingtonia, now gene splicing palms, I mean this is just insane.  None of this is going to work seriously..   Why is anyone egging any of this on?  Mods, please just stop this insanity now, for all of our sake.

I’m not planning to do gene editing palms or anything like that, it was more over an idea, and second of all, I’m not sure if you have seen but I’m currently only sticking with the three most cold hardy palms: T. Fortunei, Sabal minor, and Needle palm. I am also growing palms from seed but I’m not planning to plant them since it is too cold and you would have to be crazy to do that and if you would like to know how warm Chicago is, for around the next two weeks we are receiving high temps from 50s all the way to a day or two in the 70s, because of higher humidity, the sun coming out more, and I believe winds coming from the south heading up north. Most days ranging from for the next two weeks will be ranging with a high throughout 50s to 60s. This year we had a weird winter but it’s normal if spring comes a bit early. You would also like to know my palm went through this winter like a beast even after a major burn. 

Edited March 30, 2023 by ChicagoPalma

[ChicagoPalma]

2 hours ago, Z4Devil said:

Nothing more to add. ❤️
Besides the coldness at the Eastern coast, you have to consider blizzards, storms and really icy and long winters.
We had 3 younger blue Chamerops humilis cerifera in the ground for about 2 years - they didn't survive the last winter with snow and temperatures around minus 20 °C. The only palm which CAN be able to handle this is Trachycarpus, in an ideal world acclimatized at least in the region around the Chinese mountains; only they can handle extreme coldness and masses of snow. Don't buy a specimen which were cultivated in subtropical or hotter areas, the won't make it.

And a heating wire at least is absolutely necessary to avoid root damages.

Heating wire will be used probably for less cold hardy palms such as younger windmills.

[Z4Devil]

7 minutes ago, ChicagoPalma said:

Heating wire will be used probably for less cold hardy palms such as younger windmills.

Yes. But at least in Germany we have made good experiences with it; as well directly around the roots as around the trunk.
To sum up: Chicago has a climate which does not fit to palms in the ground. If you have an own reactor or work as Chief of the Advisory Board of an energy provider ... 2 - 5 % chance. 😂
Enjoy them indoor, the choice is soooooo big and beautiful. 🙂

[ChicagoPalma]

9 minutes ago, Z4Devil said:

Yes. But at least in Germany we have made good experiences with it; as well directly around the roots as around the trunk.
To sum up: Chicago has a climate which does not fit to palms in the ground. If you have an own reactor or work as Chief of the Advisory Board of an energy provider ... 2 - 5 % chance. 😂
Enjoy them indoor, the choice is soooooo big and beautiful. 🙂

Ontario palms??? 8a/8b palms in Ontario???

https://youtube.com/@GreenDragan

https://youtube.com/@TheJames2929

[ChicagoPalma]

I have a windmill in the ground that went through -15 F protected.

[Las Palmas Norte]

8 hours ago, Foxpalms said:

Dopamine is released whilst scrolling and scrolling trying to find the next best thing ...

I don't get that dopamine hit here. I'm OK with that.

[Arecaceus]

I'm getting confused here. This thread has become so big and convoluted that I didn't follow every stage of it. Which cold hardy palms are you growing and with what kind of protection? And why is everybody against it?

[Arecaceus]

40 minutes ago, Z4Devil said:

Yes. But at least in Germany we have made good experiences with it; as well directly around the roots as around the trunk.
To sum up: Chicago has a climate which does not fit to palms in the ground. If you have an own reactor or work as Chief of the Advisory Board of an energy provider ... 2 - 5 % chance. 😂
Enjoy them indoor, the choice is soooooo big and beautiful. 🙂

There are some people in Canada growing palms like Windmills in boxes. Looks like it's working but as you said it consumes a lot of energy. In the early stages of this thread I suggested to build some type of removable green house. Maybe the most cost effective IF somebody really wants to grow palms in Chicago.

[Z4Devil]

6 minutes ago, Hortulanus said:

There are some people in Canada growing palms like Windmills in boxes. Looks like it's working but as you said it consumes a lot of energy. In the early stages of this thread I suggested to build some type of removable green house. Maybe the most cost effective IF somebody really wants to grow palms in Chicago.

Good idea and makes sense, at least for a while and in early stages. But the problem just moves backwards ... what does one do when the palm is so big (with your mentioned tools) you would have to build a skyscraper to keep it alive? just in theory but yes: effort and benefit are out of proportion.

[Arecaceus]

2 minutes ago, Z4Devil said:

Good idea and makes sense, at least for a while and in early stages. But the problem just moves backwards ... what do one do when the palm is so big (with your mentioned tools) you would have to build a skyscraper to keep it alive? just in theory but yes: effort and benefit are out of proportion.

True, in the end the person who wants/has to to the work and spend the money has to decide if it's worth it. 😂 What's most troublesome is that it would probably already need insulation in the ground because in that climate the ground will eventually freeze through.

[Brandon James]

2 hours ago, Hortulanus said:

True, in the end the person who wants/has to to the work and spend the money has to decide if it's worth it. 😂 What's most troublesome is that it would probably already need insulation in the ground because in that climate the ground will eventually freeze through.

It’s worth it, I live here on the coast of maine zone 5b/6a depending on the winter. I have had a trachy in the ground since March/2019. And within the last few years added needle palm and sabal minor along my foundation. The trachy has a green house I construct around it for the winter. It can be a pain to build and take down but, what is living on an island without a palm tree? I think we’d all agree we want the tree. 

[Little Tex]

21 minutes ago, Brandon James said:

It’s worth it, I live here on the coast of maine zone 5b/6a depending on the winter. I have had a trachy in the ground since March/2019. And within the last few years added needle palm and sabal minor along my foundation. The trachy has a green house I construct around it for the winter. It can be a pain to build and take down but, what is living on an island without a palm tree? I think we’d all agree we want the tree. 

thats different, its when chicagopalma starts talking about dactys, robustas, and queens

[Arecaceus]

2 hours ago, Brandon James said:

It’s worth it, I live here on the coast of maine zone 5b/6a depending on the winter. I have had a trachy in the ground since March/2019. And within the last few years added needle palm and sabal minor along my foundation. The trachy has a green house I construct around it for the winter. It can be a pain to build and take down but, what is living on an island without a palm tree? I think we’d all agree we want the tree. 

I respect that. Sounds great! But your climate sounds milder than Chicago. I know where Maine is and would think it's already milder and especially more so on an island there? Not an expert on this though. 🤷‍♂️

[Brandon James]

I wasn’t referencing the climate so much as the aspiration. I would encourage him to utilize pots in Chicago myself. Probably be best to enjoy in the summer but shelter for winter. 

[jwitt]

These are in zone 7b Texas, pushing a decade...

And yes I know, Chicago is not 7b, before anybody gets all testy.

[Quasarecho]

Looks like they've been taken care of

[JLM]

2 hours ago, jwitt said:

These are in zone 7b Texas, pushing a decade...

And yes I know, Chicago is not 7b, before anybody gets all testy.

Wonder what kind of fertilizer they use 🤔

[jwitt]

1 hour ago, JLM said:

Wonder what kind of fertilizer they use 🤔

Texas "tea"

[ChicagoPalma]

10 hours ago, jwitt said:

Texas "tea"

Lol, but no I’m not doing anything crazy and Im not going overboard. Also, I think sandor palms makes temporary structures. Also here is a date palm update.

[ChicagoPalma]

It has grown a couple inches while I was gone.

[Las Palmas Norte]

6 hours ago, ChicagoPalma said:

It has grown a couple inches while I was gone.

I grew several of those and after a few years, they inexplicably perished without justification.

Edited March 31, 2023 by Las Palmas Norte

[Little Tex]

5 minutes ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

I grew several of those and after a few years, they inexplicably perished without justification.

same, just decided they had enough and they all died simultaniously