Albuquerque Palm Locations Map

[Alex High]

Hello fellow palm lovers,

I live in the Washington, D.C. area but have recently become interested, some might say obsessed, with Albuquerque and its climate and palms. I don't know what it is but something about it fascinates me in particular, the fact that it has such variable microclimates and is right on the edge of the zones for several hardy palm species, and is a great place for zone pushing. Anyways I have read through every Albuquerque palm thread on Palmtalk and have found videos and images and all locations I could find of Albuquerque palms, and I made a map out of it. I wanted to share it here for anyone interested in the awesome palmage of ABQ, and if any of you know of any palms I am missing please let me know, I will add them to the map. There are many palms I have seen pictures of that I do not know the locations of. I do not know exactly where the palms are at the Zoo/BioPark. I know of several Washys in the Westside area in particular that I have seen photos of on Palmtalk but could not locate. Let me know of any palms I am missing. I am also currently working on a map of the palms around town here in the D.C. area. Thanks and enjoy!

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=13GDxHuOpdXaDEDEGTOq_IEuvQ6HbUA8&ll=34.969752858875296%2C-106.5999146344962&z=10

 

[Little Tex]

This is great!, also there are two robusta in front of the dactylifera group on westside drive

[Alex High]

13 minutes ago, Little Tex said:

This is great!, also there are two robusta in front of the dactylifera group on westside drive

Thanks! Sadly those robusta didn't make it, they died the first winter in ground. Streetview hasn't updated since then. Here are a couple photos of the dactys from late November 2022 that someone posted on Palmtalk. They will likely defoliate most every winter but it is amazing how they manage to make quite a recovery over the warm months, that summer heat really helps.

[MSX]

Wow what a great job you've done, very useful!

[Alex High]

1 minute ago, MSX said:

Wow what a great job you've done, very useful!

Thank you! I have been following your posts about your palms in Uzbekistan, such an interesting climate much like Albuquerque. Very cool!

[Alex High]

Anyone know where any of these palms are? @SailorBold@ChrisA@Ltapia@Julio ABQ? The post with the first ones says off Griegos but I couldn't find them on Google Maps.

 

 

[Alex High]

Got 2 more!

[Alex High]

I added the palms at the Zoo (I am sure there are more that I missed, there are a lot there!). The street view there hasn't been updated since 2014 but I am sure most of the palms are still there and I have seen more recent pictures of some of them.

Also, I had 2 questions. First, I was wondering if this palm is still there. It looks like a Chamaerops and the main two trunks look dead but it looks like one of the suckers was growing back.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0791583,-106.6621819,2a,18y,338.67h,75.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEdiHBWH3UkwBCMRe4EFcOw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Secondly I was wondering if anyone could ID this palm. Really not sure what it is, and I really hope it's still there!

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0791399,-106.661775,2a,43.3y,209.97h,46.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smaLTmPwFWmbAZfG-5FfLmQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

[Southwesternsol]

Very interesting. Surprised there aren't more Sabals. I know it's kind of dry, but they seem to be more reliably hardy in Abq, whereas the Washingtonias seem to be pretty marginal. 

If anything, I think this is good proof that the high deserts of New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Nevada etc are good for some "warmer" landscaping. Palms or otherwise. Unfortunately, many in these parts think the weather is colder than it actually is and so they limit themselves to high elevation and northern vegetation like Spruces, Aspens, Roses etc. Not that I have anything against those plants in particular, it's just a bit of shame to see people limit their options to only the hardiest of hardy plants when they don't need to.

[Alex High]

19 hours ago, Southwesternsol said:

Very interesting. Surprised there aren't more Sabals. I know it's kind of dry, but they seem to be more reliably hardy in Abq, whereas the Washingtonias seem to be pretty marginal. 

If anything, I think this is good proof that the high deserts of New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Nevada etc are good for some "warmer" landscaping. Palms or otherwise. Unfortunately, many in these parts think the weather is colder than it actually is and so they limit themselves to high elevation and northern vegetation like Spruces, Aspens, Roses etc. Not that I have anything against those plants in particular, it's just a bit of shame to see people limit their options to only the hardiest of hardy plants when they don't need to.

I completely agree, there is definitely a lot of palm potential for the Southwestern high deserts and Four Corners area, so cool that you are growing palms there! And I agree about the Sabals, they're just much rarer in the West, I don't really get why. Even in cool summer climates like coastal California and the Pacific Northwest they do well, yet you almost never see them there, same with the Southwest. There are a few Sabals in Roswell, Carlsbad, and Las Cruces, it seems the further east you go the more common they become.

Additionally, here are some recent palms I've learned about and added to the Albuquerque Palms Map. As always, if anyone knows of any others, please let me know!

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=13GDxHuOpdXaDEDEGTOq_IEuvQ6HbUA8&ll=35.129237231095544%2C-106.70007740744985&z=12

[jwitt]

How cool is this? 

I roamed this area since the mid seventies.  Specifically the hills at the end of this street.  And now I live within a mile, just uphill nearly fifty years later. Never knew of this palm! Also, there were no houses on this street back then in Corrales.

That said, there is a poster here in palmtalk with a house nearby.  The variety and types of palms and plants, is mind boggling.  Stuff "unknown" to grow here, or the whole state. I'll leave it at that.  

Awesome work! 

 

Edited May 3, 2023 by jwitt

[Alex High]

3 hours ago, jwitt said:

How cool is this? 

I roamed this area since the mid seventies.  Specifically the hills at the end of this street.  And now I live within a mile, just uphill nearly fifty years later. Never knew of this palm! Also, there were no houses on this street back then in Corrales.

That said, there is a poster here in palmtalk with a house nearby.  The variety and types of palms and plants, is mind boggling.  Stuff "unknown" to grow here, or the whole state. I'll leave it at that.  

Awesome work! 

 

Thank you very much, it was a lot of fun searching for all these palms and making the map. I must give credit where credit is due, I got a lot of the sites from the YouTube channel Albuquerque Palm Trees as well as other YouTube videos and Palmtalk threads. If you know of any additional palms to add to the map I would love to know! Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/@albuquerquepalmtrees950

[flplantguy]

When i was in high school and college you rarely saw any palms there just further south.  At the time i had no idea a sabal palm was at the pool at NMSU, i thought they were all washies.  Its cool to see the increase in usage up there now.

[jwitt]

[Alex High]

2 hours ago, jwitt said:

I added it to the map! Beautiful Trachy, thanks for sharing, I would love to know of any other palms!

[jwitt]

2 more

[Alex High]

On 5/6/2023 at 8:49 PM, jwitt said:

2 more

Wonderful, I added them to the map, thank you! So many nice palms around the ABQ area.

[jwitt]

Another

[Alex High]

17 hours ago, jwitt said:

Another

Added, thanks! By the way, I'm wearing my New Mexico shirt today, wish I was there!

[jwitt]

Your shirt rocks!

[Alex High]

1 minute ago, jwitt said:

Your shirt rocks!

Thanks, good memories of my trip there last June. Unfortunately I didn't get to see any of the awesome palms in Albuquerque, but I did get this videos of some palms in Alamogordo, including some CIDP. Blows my mind that it's only zone 8a, the wonders of a dry climate!

 

[jwitt]

Saw that video! Liked it. Did not realize it was you. Good job and thanks for repping my state!

In truth, what's done in this region and it's z8a is really unseen in other z8a's, including dry ones.  I suspect there is more to the story than dry. 

Alamogordo kind of puts an exclamation point on it tho with that extra bright land mass just to it's west!

 

[ChrisA]

Hey there Alex,

Sorry for the tardy reply,  I haven't logged in for quite a while.  Here are some locations of additional palms I don't see on your map. Apologies if someone has already provided the locations as well.  If I can think of any others I will send you an update.  Thanks so much for making this map to share. Very Cool! Take care!

Washingtonia:

8305 Casa Gris Ct NW - In the back yard of this address visible from Casa Verde Ave.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0999571,-106.7371768,3a,60y,212.18h,98.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soZWcO4NZMiZOkQ_-DOLSJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

Butia:

1617 Van Cleave Rd NW:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1289554,-106.6627017,3a,60y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQYsKeNYy8FWE0Jhhf3SSqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

 

Trachycarpus:

8728 Calle Calma NE:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0999571,-106.7371768,3a,60y,212.18h,98.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soZWcO4NZMiZOkQ_-DOLSJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

11711 Elena Dr NE:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1910224,-106.5085926,3a,20.1y,350.71h,87.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSJFzAueDo4HdVn_IooKIEQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

4501 Altura Pl NE:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0957177,-106.5950821,3a,54.3y,343.11h,82.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBAglDOgU8rkGHZNXHh9Spw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

 

Rhapidophyllum hystrix:

7100 Leander Ave NE (also a Trachycarpus there):

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1500701,-106.567551,3a,21.4y,210.17h,82.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1simaIBE5ST5Rxs5qX-fMx-Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

 

[Alex High]

16 hours ago, ChrisA said:

Hey there Alex,

Sorry for the tardy reply,  I haven't logged in for quite a while.  Here are some locations of additional palms I don't see on your map. Apologies if someone has already provided the locations as well.  If I can think of any others I will send you an update.  Thanks so much for making this map to share. Very Cool! Take care!

Washingtonia:

8305 Casa Gris Ct NW - In the back yard of this address visible from Casa Verde Ave.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0999571,-106.7371768,3a,60y,212.18h,98.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soZWcO4NZMiZOkQ_-DOLSJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

Butia:

1617 Van Cleave Rd NW:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1289554,-106.6627017,3a,60y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQYsKeNYy8FWE0Jhhf3SSqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

 

Trachycarpus:

8728 Calle Calma NE:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0999571,-106.7371768,3a,60y,212.18h,98.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soZWcO4NZMiZOkQ_-DOLSJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

11711 Elena Dr NE:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1910224,-106.5085926,3a,20.1y,350.71h,87.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSJFzAueDo4HdVn_IooKIEQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

4501 Altura Pl NE:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0957177,-106.5950821,3a,54.3y,343.11h,82.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBAglDOgU8rkGHZNXHh9Spw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

 

Rhapidophyllum hystrix:

7100 Leander Ave NE (also a Trachycarpus there):

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1500701,-106.567551,3a,21.4y,210.17h,82.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1simaIBE5ST5Rxs5qX-fMx-Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

 

Wow, thank you so much Chris! This is really awesome, I really appreciate you taking the time to find these. All of these are new ones for me. If you know of any others I would love to know. I will add them to the map, thanks!!!

[Alex High]

Anyone ever seen any sagos or other cycads around ABQ?

[Alex High]

20 hours ago, ChrisA said:

Hey there Alex,

Sorry for the tardy reply,  I haven't logged in for quite a while.  Here are some locations of additional palms I don't see on your map. Apologies if someone has already provided the locations as well.  If I can think of any others I will send you an update.  Thanks so much for making this map to share. Very Cool! Take care!

Washingtonia:

8305 Casa Gris Ct NW - In the back yard of this address visible from Casa Verde Ave.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0999571,-106.7371768,3a,60y,212.18h,98.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soZWcO4NZMiZOkQ_-DOLSJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

Butia:

1617 Van Cleave Rd NW:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1289554,-106.6627017,3a,60y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQYsKeNYy8FWE0Jhhf3SSqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

 

Trachycarpus:

8728 Calle Calma NE:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0999571,-106.7371768,3a,60y,212.18h,98.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soZWcO4NZMiZOkQ_-DOLSJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

11711 Elena Dr NE:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1910224,-106.5085926,3a,20.1y,350.71h,87.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSJFzAueDo4HdVn_IooKIEQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

4501 Altura Pl NE:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0957177,-106.5950821,3a,54.3y,343.11h,82.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBAglDOgU8rkGHZNXHh9Spw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

 

Rhapidophyllum hystrix:

7100 Leander Ave NE (also a Trachycarpus there):

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1500701,-106.567551,3a,21.4y,210.17h,82.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1simaIBE5ST5Rxs5qX-fMx-Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

 

There are a couple Washys just down the street from the house with the needle palm and Trachy. The streetview hasn't updated since 2015, hope they're still there!

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.150093,-106.5703825,3a,15y,42.14h,87.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGkypWJDQ1a1XQE24qsgoVw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?authuser=0&entry=ttu

[ChrisA]

Unfortunately those Washies on Leander perished about 4 years ago.  They have since been removed and not replaced.   I’ve seen cycads (Cycas revolution only) survive for a few years and then give up the ghost.  

[Alex High]

6 hours ago, ChrisA said:

Unfortunately those Washies on Leander perished about 4 years ago.  They have since been removed and not replaced.   I’ve seen cycads (Cycas revolution only) survive for a few years and then give up the ghost.  

That's unfortunate, thanks for the update. And I'm surprised about the cycads, I would think revoluta and some of the other hardy ones would grow in Albuquerque as dieback plants, defoliating and regrowing in spring.

[jwitt]

18 hours ago, Alex High said:

That's unfortunate, thanks for the update. And I'm surprised about the cycads, I would think revoluta and some of the other hardy ones would grow in Albuquerque as dieback plants, defoliating and regrowing in spring.

I knew of one sago that survived about 15 years around the Albuquerque academy.

I also saw one growing in a street terrace that was allowed to revert back to desert.  It was like " wow! There's a sago in there!. 

First one perished, second one, I am still looking for.  It was in the rios locos part of Rio Rancho. Unfortunately, no streetview.

[jwitt]

Here is the cycas by the Academy. It died in 2011.  Pic is from 2007. Grew for many years.

[Alex High]

2 hours ago, jwitt said:

I knew of one sago that survived about 15 years around the Albuquerque academy.

I also saw one growing in a street terrace that was allowed to revert back to desert.  It was like " wow! There's a sago in there!. 

First one perished, second one, I am still looking for.  It was in the rios locos part of Rio Rancho. Unfortunately, no streetview.

Wow looks like that was a tall one, that's really unfortunate it died. I hope you find the other one, that's awesome! Thanks for sharing!

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