Some palms after winter in Holland

[Axel Amsterdam]

Thanks i will get into this, you may be right. 

[Arecaceus]

24 minutes ago, Axel Amsterdam said:

Thanks i will get into this, you may be right. 

Just a guess but I'm saying this, cause this is what they look like for me:

T. ukhrulensis:



T. princeps:






Another small T. princeps from a different source:


There is also a trunking one at our Botanical Garden in Düsseldorf, which also looks different from yours. I couldn't find any picture online though. If it isn't a T. princeps that would be very cool, because then it must be something more rare!

[kristof p]

11 hours ago, Hortulanus said:

Just a guess but I'm saying this, cause this is what they look like for me:

T. ukhrulensis:



T. princeps:






Another small T. princeps from a different source:


There is also a trunking one at our Botanical Garden in Düsseldorf, which also looks different from yours. I couldn't find any picture online though. If it isn't a T. princeps that would be very cool, because then it must be something more rare!

what happend to your T. ukhrulensis? It looks like it took some serious damage and is struggling to grow normal or has it been growing in a pot for a long time?  

Your T. princeps palms look great!

[kristof p]

15 hours ago, Hortulanus said:

That's a princeps? Mine both look completely different. It looks more like T. ukhrulensis for example. 🧐 Is it a green form or something?

definitely not T. ukhrulensis. It looks like a wet T. princeps  

[Axel Amsterdam]

Thanks, yes it is confirmed by several EPS members to be princeps

[Little Tex]

20 hours ago, Hortulanus said:

That's a princeps? Mine both look completely different. It looks more like T. ukhrulensis for example. 🧐 Is it a green form or something?

lol it looks like  L.Chinensis

[Axel Amsterdam]

22 minutes ago, Little Tex said:

lol it looks like  L.Chinensis

True, the undersides of the fronds are whitish though 😊

[Little Tex]

42 minutes ago, Axel Amsterdam said:

True, the undersides of the fronds are whitish though 😊

plus no thorns

[Arecaceus]

8 hours ago, kristof p said:

what happend to your T. ukhrulensis? It looks like it took some serious damage and is struggling to grow normal or has it been growing in a pot for a long time?  

Your T. princeps palms look great!

Yes got defoliated in February 2021. Struggled to grow back because it was in complete shade now that the neighbour had a new fence. I replanted it last year into a sunnier spot. I tried not to damage the roots, which seemed to have worked but it declined throughout the summer and I think it's dead now.

Oh and thanks!

[Arecaceus]

Then it seems to be a T. princeps. But looking very different frome the ones I've seen here. Yet to mention that my T. ukhrulensis also had white undersides.

[Axel Amsterdam]

We had a pretty severe storm today, so after i took this picture of a butia eriospatha with some typical after storm lighting

Edited July 5, 2023 by Axel Amsterdam

[RJ]

On 4/2/2023 at 8:12 AM, Axel Amsterdam said:

Thanks, yes it is confirmed by several EPS members to be princeps

I’ve never seen a princeps that “creeps” before going vertical, at least not the “stone gate” variety. 

[Axel Amsterdam]

On 3/13/2023 at 4:42 PM, Axel Amsterdam said:

And then there are the absolute lucky exceptions to the rule that survived the -8/-9C events with subzero days with a bit of fleece around the spear

I drove past this butia eriospatha and it seemed to have had a really good growing season. 

[Axel Amsterdam]

On 3/13/2023 at 10:29 AM, Axel Amsterdam said:

washingtonia in an even more exposed spot also around 14 miles inland

 

These washingtonia’s recovered nicely

[Axel Amsterdam]

On 3/13/2023 at 10:27 AM, Axel Amsterdam said:

I took some street pictures of survivors in the western parts of Holland. 

Washingtonia outside UHI of Amsterdam, around 14 miles from the coast unprotected

 

mixed results, 4 survived, two didn’t

[Axel Amsterdam]

A small update on palms in the western part of Holland. Winter wasn’t that cold here.

[Marco67]

Palms still looking good Axel. The lowest we had was about -5C (23 F), I think. These Washingtonia leaves burn quite easily, but they still look pretty green. We still have some winter left, but hopefully it won't be very cold. 

[Axel Amsterdam]

Yes -5C is correct as a lowest temperature in western Holland so far. Not enough to brown most robusta fronds like these. The 2 dead robustas are from last winter BTW. 

[Marco67]

Robusta's aren't very cold hardy unfortunately. I also lost two in winters that weren't even that cold.

Perhaps Filifera would be better to try but they are very hard to find. 

[Axel Amsterdam]

A nice palmy garden in Zeeland, Holland. The palms are unprotected, zeeland is fairly mild.

[Axel Amsterdam]

And an unprotected butia in Maastricht. Maastricht is hotter than most of holland in summer, but colder than the western side of Holland in winter. The butia looks very healthy though. 

[Marco67]

Thanks for the photo's Axel. Especially that Butia is looking good. 

Zeeland has a pretty mild climate and is partly 9a I think. 

[Swolte]

Ik ben volgende week voor een aantal dagen in Breda. Is er in de omgeving daar nog iets Palmig te zien?

~ S

[Marco67]

16 hours ago, Swolte said:

Ik ben volgende week voor een aantal dagen in Breda. Is er in de omgeving daar nog iets Palmig te zien?

~ S

Ik kan je helaas niet helpen want ik ben niet zo thuis in Breda maar veel plezier in Brabant gewenst. 

[palmnut-fry]

This is alarming post, what next? Antarctica with windmills?🌴

[Marco67]

What do you mean by that ?

[Swolte]

On 5/24/2024 at 11:00 AM, Marco67 said:

Ik kan je helaas niet helpen want ik ben niet zo thuis in Breda maar veel plezier in Brabant gewenst. 

Dank! Was a great trip.

I spotted medies, some date palms, and quite a few windmill palms (unsurprisingly) in the ground. Of the latter, there were quite some large ones. The medies and date palms were unimpressive and mostly in pots by restaurants/cafes (I assume, some could be rolled inside during cold spells).

[Marco67]

21 hours ago, Swolte said:

Dank! Was a great trip.

I spotted medies, some date palms, and quite a few windmill palms (unsurprisingly) in the ground. Of the latter, there were quite some large ones. The medies and date palms were unimpressive and mostly in pots by restaurants/cafes (I assume, some could be rolled inside during cold spells).

Trachycarpus is by far the best-suited species for our climate, and you tend to see them the most. Also Chamaerops seems to do well in our climate with the occasional freeze-back though. 

The south-west coast is probably the best place to try something different because of the milder winters. But even there, Canariensis or Washingtonia won't make it long-term without protection. 

[Axel Amsterdam]

A very unusual sight in Amsterdam, washingtonia trimming