Sabal uresana

[ghar41]

(PalmGuyWC @ Sep. 27 2007,09:54)

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I put mine in the ground when it was only a 1 gal. size, and it just sat and hardly grew at all for several years. I wish now I had grown it to a 5 gal. size before planting. I think this is true for most Sabals.  Let them get some size and root bound before planting them.

Dick

Dick,

As usual your experience shines through.  I did exactly the same as you did, planted them as one gallons, and they have done nothing for 4 years.

Oh well, I kinda hope they stay small for awhile, I like the blue fronds coming straight out of the ground.

[iwan]

(ghar41 @ Sep. 30 2007,07:57)

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(PalmGuyWC @ Sep. 27 2007,09:54)

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I put mine in the ground when it was only a 1 gal. size, and it just sat and hardly grew at all for several years. I wish now I had grown it to a 5 gal. size before planting. I think this is true for most Sabals.  Let them get some size and root bound before planting them.

Dick

Dick,

As usual your experience shines through.  I did exactly the same as you did, planted them as one gallons, and they have done nothing for 4 years.

Oh well, I kinda hope they stay small for awhile, I like the blue fronds coming straight out of the ground.

Dick/Glenn,

I wonder if given a side-by-side pair, one in ground one out, which one would be larger after the 'sulking" period (what about after 10 years)?  I am curious as I have several I would love to get in the ground.  I have a pair of 1g Sabal causiarum, might be an interesting test.

Maybe it is a psychological thing, but this is interesting information.  I just acquired a small 5g uresana, so this thread couldn't have come at a better time.

[PalmGuyWC]

Robert,

I've always felt that smaller palms grow faster in containers the first few years, the reason being:  Even in the winter time when the air temperature is quite chilly, the sun can warm up a black container much warmer than the air temp. and this promotes some growth.  Plants in the ground don't have that warmth to the roots, and they just sit during our winter and prolonged cool springs.

On the other hand, it's probably best to shade the containers during the summer heat as it can get quite hot to the root area and this is not good. Some palms (Parajubaeas for instance) don't like to be root bound, so there is an optimum time to put them in the ground. Sabals, Rhapis, etc. don't seem to mind being root bound. When a palm slows down in growth in a container, it's time to put it in the ground. Just my thinking, don't know if it's a fact or not.

Dick

[JD in the OC]

Merrill et al,

I have grown S. bermudana from seed, from a labeled and documented tree at the Fullerton Arboretum.  Keep in mind, S. bermudana produces a blue eophyll that is almost identical to S. uresana, so color may not be a good identifying factor.  Based on the size and color of your Sabal's hastula and surrounding area (yellow), I would venture to say you have an S. bermudana Merrill...

I have seeds and seedlings from habitat-collected S. uresana (previous pics in this thread) if anyone is interested...

JD

[Daryl]

Here's what S.uresana looks like in southern Queensland. This palm is no older than 30 years.

Daryl.

[PalmGuyWC]

Daryl,

Thanks for the great photo. That's the largest Sabal I've ever seen. I hope our younger palm nuts who are planting their gardens now will take note.

Dick

[tank]

I have seen both S. palmetto and S. causiarum with the same yellow "halo" around the hastula.  I have a mature S. palmetto with the yellow halo and another without.  I always suspected it had something to do with nutrition.

[sonoranfans]

(tank @ Oct. 06 2007,08:07)

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I have seen both S. palmetto and S. causiarum with the same yellow "halo" around the hastula.  I have a mature S. palmetto with the yellow halo and another without.  I always suspected it had something to do with nutrition.

Both my sabal blackburniana and sabal bermudana have that hastula as well.  If Merills sabal is a Bermudana it is the most impressive bermudana I've ever seen, magnificent.  Save the seeds Merill, so many sabals are cross bred it may be hard to reproduce!  My bermudana also has blue hues in with the green, the coloration is obviously more blue than my blackburnianas.  Its obvious even to my wife who rarely agrees with me on colors.  I hope mine looks similar someday.

[richtrav]

Im telling ya the provenance is critical in their blueness and growth rate, this comes from both growing them and seeing them in the wild

[merrill]

My blue 'uresana' was bright blue when younger, far bluer than any bermudana I've seen, and as blue as any uresana I've seen.  It seems most likely that blue color is quantitative genetically in both Serenoa and S. uresana, as opposed to Mendelian.  I can't conjure other Sabal, or hybrids of Sabal,  that would produce such blue color.  My three 'uresana' are on a much larger scale than my several bermudana, and the bermudana I've observed at several botanic gardens are considerably smaller than  these uresana.

Now, I value the expert's opinion:  Richard, is my 'uresana' too large to be uresana?  I will accept Richard's opinion absolutely w/o question.  OTOH, what is my 'uresana?', which question is not Richards' responsibility, although I place great value on his opinion,

Tank, Thank You for your very helpful observations.  

sonoranfans, my other uresana have been bearing [often copiously] for several years.  The first time the new blue blooms, I will remove all flowers from the other uresana.

Best Wishes, merrill

[Toni]

Merrill.

Excuse me, I have sent to a messaje private for you, thanks for read.

Best. Toni