Is this a Sabal minor or a young Sabal palmetto?

[FL_palms]

 I recently noticed this was growing under my Holley bush. I do not know what it is it somewhat looks like a young Sabal palmetto but it also looks like it could be a Sabal minor. I do not have any Sabal minors or palmettos in my yard but there is a older Sabal palmetto 2 houses down from me and across the street has what I think are older looking sabal minors so a seed from one of them got to my yard I just can’t tell what it is.

[Jimbean]

It's hard to tell until they get a little bigger.  From those photos it's impossible to tell the difference. 

[FL_palms]

12 minutes ago, Jimbean said:

It's hard to tell until they get a little bigger.  From those photos it's impossible to tell the difference. 

Thank you for the feedback. Do you think it would be a good idea to transplant it into a more open area so it has more room to grow, or should I just leave it for now? 

[Little Tex]

1 hour ago, FL_palms said:

Thank you for the feedback. Do you think it would be a good idea to transplant it into a more open area so it has more room to grow, or should I just leave it for now? 

Eh tough call, at that size, I had success with trunking sabal species transplanting (palmetto, mexicana), but they always suffer root shock, defoliation then they begin to put out new leaves, never ever been able to move a minor that big, so if your willing to risk it, you probably should because it looks too close to that holly anyway. So since its growing in a difficult spot, digging it up is inevitable so might as well. Make sure to preserve the roots, the best system for me is flood it out.

[FL_palms]

1 hour ago, Little Tex said:

Eh tough call, at that size, I had success with trunking sabal species transplanting (palmetto, mexicana), but they always suffer root shock, defoliation then they begin to put out new leaves, never ever been able to move a minor that big, so if your willing to risk it, you probably should because it looks too close to that holly anyway. So since its growing in a difficult spot, digging it up is inevitable so might as well. Make sure to preserve the roots, the best system for me is flood it out.

Okay thank you.

[PalmatierMeg]

Do not try to transplant Sabals of that size. Their growing points are underground and will suffer fatal damage when you try to dig them up. As Sabal minor generally do not form an above ground you should not attempt to transplant them at all. Sabal palmetto should not be transplanted until they have 4-6’ of clear trunk.

[Allen]

It and the holly are not going to get along.  Seems more palmetto.  Would be very difficult to move.

[FL_palms]

Thank you everbody for the feedback.

[SeanK]

Palmetto usually has some loose fibres at the sinuses of the leaflets. Also lean a little on the yellow side of green. Minors are noticeably stiffer. If it develops a scale problem, it's S.minor.

[kylecawazafla]

That's a Sabal palmetto. S. minor have much more rigid fronds at that age. 

[FL_palms]

1 hour ago, kylecawazafla said:

That's a Sabal palmetto. S. minor have much more rigid fronds at that age. 

How old do you think a palmetto that size would be?

Edited March 27, 2023 by FL_palms

[FL_palms]

4 hours ago, SeanK said:

Palmetto usually has some loose fibres at the sinuses of the leaflets. Also lean a little on the yellow side of green. Minors are noticeably stiffer. If it develops a scale problem, it's S.minor.

Do Sabal minors have any filament fibres, or is it just Sabal Palmetto?

[Allen]

7 hours ago, FL_palms said:

Do Sabal minors have any filament fibres, or is it just Sabal Palmetto?

S. minor have them too.  palmetto can have them sparsely when young and get more as they get bigger.

[FL_palms]

4 hours ago, Allen said:

S. minor have them too.  palmetto can have them sparsely when young and get more as they get bigger.

I don’t want to accidentally kill it, but also if it was a Sabal Palmetto I don’t really want it growing through the bush because it could cause problems. Digging it out does also seem time consuming. It’s hard to get to because it is so far back under the Holley.

Edited March 27, 2023 by FL_palms
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[Allen]

16 minutes ago, FL_palms said:

I don’t want to accidentally kill it, but also if it was a Sabal Palmetto I don’t really want it growing through the bush because it could cause problems. Digging it out does also seem time consuming. It’s hard to get to because it is so far back under the Holley.

You could try just pulling it and putting in a pot but I doubt it will come free.  One way or another it looks like it has to go beside the holly like that.  99% it will die if moved.  If it were me I'd just chop it as a loss.  

[FL_palms]

2 hours ago, Allen said:

You could try just pulling it and putting in a pot but I doubt it will come free.  One way or another it looks like it has to go beside the holly like that.  99% it will die if moved.  If it were me I'd just chop it as a loss.  

I think I might just chop it. There is also tons of other small ones. I just dug one up. I don’t really think I did it right but I just put it in a pot so I’ll see how it does.