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Pindo Palm growth rate?

PashkaTLT

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Hello guys,

How long do you think it will take the Pindo Palm on the left to reach the size of the Pindo Palm on the right?

The left one I ordered from Home Depot, it came from Brighter Blooms. HomeDepot listed it as 3 gallon pot and it came in a 2 gallon pot and looks a little smaller than on their generic picture (this this the issue with HomeDepot, they give great prices, you can find great deals there, but no guarantees on what you'll get; usually I got good plants though). It costed $65. I wonder if it it's too much for this size and if I should return it and reorder somewhere else. The right one is 7G from FastGrowingTrees.

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Planted palms: Sabal minor, W. Robusta (Mexican Fan Palm, my favourite!), Windmill, Pindo, Needle, European Fan, Sago palm, Saw Palmetto, Pygmy Date palm

Inside during winter: Majesty, Cat palm, Chinese fan palm, Mexican Fan palm

MarcusH Mentor

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I'm sorry I can't give you an estimate but it all depends on the amount of sunshine /heat/fertilizer it gets . Also are you planning on leaving it in a pot ? 

ChicagoPalma Mentor

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Pindos grow very slowly, about 2 to 4 inches per year if not fertilized or anything. But it usually can grow fast or as fast as a trachy if you feed it a good amount of fertilizer and water.

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They are on the slow side but are easier to protect when smaller. I’m not sure how happy they will be if kept permanently potted. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can tell you. I’ve never seen them used as houseplants in my area but they are totally hardy here and are planted outdoors.

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I put this one in the ground 6ish years ago from a potted size similar to yours on the right.  Overall height is around 8-9 feet and it's flowering.  It gets fertilizer three times a year and water whenever it falls from the sky.

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This one was grown from seed germinated by me some 20 years ago and was field grown most of its life with no fertilizer and water when it fell from the sky.  It's considerable smaller in stature but is mature enough to flower.

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With proper care and lots of sun the left one I'd say would be just as big as the right one in a year or two.

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Thank you @Scott W It means the fertilizer is very important.

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Planted palms: Sabal minor, W. Robusta (Mexican Fan Palm, my favourite!), Windmill, Pindo, Needle, European Fan, Sago palm, Saw Palmetto, Pygmy Date palm

Inside during winter: Majesty, Cat palm, Chinese fan palm, Mexican Fan palm

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On 4/17/2023 at 9:51 AM, PalmatierMeg said:

They are on the slow side but are easier to protect when smaller. I’m not sure how happy they will be if kept permanently potted. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can tell you. I’ve never seen them used as houseplants in my area but they are totally hardy here and are planted outdoors.

I have 2 that have been potted and stay indoors for about 5 months per year. I'm amazed at how well they do inside. They aren't the fastest growers, but that's good for indoors. One of mine is now trunking and fronds are touching the ceiling.  I just posted this elsewhere here comparing how much better they are than Majesty palms for inside. The one in the background is the Pindo

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The more water, the faster the growth rate with Butia palms.  Are you certain your growing zone is 6a?  I used to live in NJ, and the temp almost never dropped below 10f.  If you're in suburban NY or Phila, you're probably zone 7a or 7b.

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@donnacreation I'm certain :(((

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I'm right on the edge, close to 6b, though...

 

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Planted palms: Sabal minor, W. Robusta (Mexican Fan Palm, my favourite!), Windmill, Pindo, Needle, European Fan, Sago palm, Saw Palmetto, Pygmy Date palm

Inside during winter: Majesty, Cat palm, Chinese fan palm, Mexican Fan palm

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I stand corrected.  I was assuming you were in the heavily populated warmer areas.  That part of Jersey is pretty.  Do you plan to grow your Pindo palms outdoors eventually with winter protection?

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Yeah, it's a beautiful part of NJ. I have woods behind my backyard. Not many cars, it's quiet, just birds singing...

It's a difficult decision for me regarding the Pindo Palm. I'm sure I will plant Needle, Sabal Minor & Windmill, but Pindo is zone 8, so it will require better/longer protection.

I'd be interested in your, guys, opinion on planting the Pindo Palm in zone 6a/6b.

I know people even plant Robustas in zones 5/6, so I guess I could try planting the Pindo Palm.

Planted palms: Sabal minor, W. Robusta (Mexican Fan Palm, my favourite!), Windmill, Pindo, Needle, European Fan, Sago palm, Saw Palmetto, Pygmy Date palm

Inside during winter: Majesty, Cat palm, Chinese fan palm, Mexican Fan palm

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26 minutes ago, PashkaTLT said:

Yeah, it's a beautiful part of NJ. I have woods behind my backyard. Not many cars, it's quiet, just birds singing...

It's a difficult decision for me regarding the Pindo Palm. I'm sure I will plant Needle, Sabal Minor & Windmill, but Pindo is zone 8, so it will require better/longer protection.

I'd be interested in your, guys, opinion on planting the Pindo Palm in zone 6a/6b.

I know people even plant Robustas in zones 5/6, so I guess I could try planting the Pindo Palm.

There are a couple of large Pindos near me - about 6-ft of solid trunk. Burned to a crisp this past winter. Prior two winters bottomed out around 20° so they previously looked very good.

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You can absolutely grow them outdoors with protection.   15 yrs ago I bought 2 date palms at Lowes (Phoenix sylvestris) and protected them during winter with warming incandescent xmas lights and frost cloth.  It worked great, but they grew rapidly and, after a few yrs,  they were too big to protect w/o heroic measures.  They fried/died as soon as temps dropped below 20f. Good luck!  Looks like you're near Clinton, NJ.  That's as NW as I ever traveled in NJ. Do you know what your coldest temp was during the Christmas freeze last year?

PashkaTLT Community Regular

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I believe it dropped to 5-10F in December :(

Planted palms: Sabal minor, W. Robusta (Mexican Fan Palm, my favourite!), Windmill, Pindo, Needle, European Fan, Sago palm, Saw Palmetto, Pygmy Date palm

Inside during winter: Majesty, Cat palm, Chinese fan palm, Mexican Fan palm

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I was talking with a friend in Westchester, NY, just after the freeze and she said their low was 12f.  She was shocked when I told her the low here in central SC was 11f. Recently learned winters in the NE Corridor cities are warming even more rapidly than other parts of the US.  By the end of this century, NYC is projected to have summers as hot as Columbia, SC.  So there's that. :))

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Big reason for this is that NYC is on the ocean and Sumter, SC is relatively far from water. Water makes climate much milder.

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Planted palms: Sabal minor, W. Robusta (Mexican Fan Palm, my favourite!), Windmill, Pindo, Needle, European Fan, Sago palm, Saw Palmetto, Pygmy Date palm

Inside during winter: Majesty, Cat palm, Chinese fan palm, Mexican Fan palm

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Agreed. Proximity to the Atlantic trumps latitude.  There's also the urban heat island effect.  During these arctic outbreaks low temps in Phila, Baltimore and DC are also usually milder than inland SC. The difference, and the reason Pindo palms don't require winter protection in the deep South, is the relatively mild high temps.

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MarcusH Mentor

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On 4/20/2023 at 6:39 PM, SeanK said:

There are a couple of large Pindos near me - about 6-ft of solid trunk. Burned to a crisp this past winter. Prior two winters bottomed out around 20° so they previously looked very good.

Should be a lot more hardier than 20 degrees.  Here in San Antonio they laugh at 15 degree temperatures without a single frond burned .  

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13 minutes ago, MarcusH said:

Should be a lot more hardier than 20 degrees.  Here in San Antonio they laugh at 15 degree temperatures without a single frond burned .  

Yeah, 20° was no problem. December 2022 it went from 50° and rain to 5° and cold dry wind, all in about 24 hours. Too much too fast.

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1 hour ago, SeanK said:

Yeah, 20° was no problem. December 2022 it went from 50° and rain to 5° and cold dry wind, all in about 24 hours. Too much too fast.

Sounds like my near yearly zonal event. To a "T" in fact.

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