What palms tolerate wet “feet”?

[D. Morrowii]

I have a spot that occasionally temporarily floods. Its only when it rain heavy and its always gone within and hour or two. But..during the storms last year it stayed wet there for quite a while. 
I know from reading posts here on PT that Archontophoenix handles it well. Cocos should be ok as too but what others? 

[ZPalms]

Sabal Palmetto, Majesties, I've heard royals too but Idk 🤪

Edited May 16, 2023 by ZPalms

[Billy]

Ravenea rivularis would be another....

[Billy]

Beccariophoenix alfredii also comes to mind. 

[PortCharlotteCocos]

Cyrtostachys renda.

[DoomsDave]

2 hours ago, D. Morrowii said:

I have a spot that occasionally temporarily floods. Its only when it rain heavy and its always gone within and hour or two. But..during the storms last year it stayed wet there for quite a while. 
I know from reading posts here on PT that Archontophoenix handles it well. Cocos should be ok as too but what others? 

Consider Roystonea oleracea, or regia. They get huge as you undoubtedly know. Rhapidophyllum hystrix too. 
 

Have to think some more….

[D. Morrowii]

2 hours ago, Billy said:

Beccariophoenix alfredii also comes to mind. 

Is this true? I do have a B fenestralis that needs a home. 

1 hour ago, PortCharlotteCocos said:

Cyrtostachys renda.

Oh my, I could kill 3 of those every year in the ground here. I probably get at least a dozen days 40 or lower here! Is a water lover though.

[D. Morrowii]

@DoomsDave I knew these guys were water lovers but I wasn’t sure they would tolerate puddles. I’ll add it to the list! 

[Caribbean Palms]

Licuala spinosa, Licuala peltata var. Sumawongii, Calyptronoma rivalis.

[DCA_Palm_Fan]

Cyrtostachys Renda as mentioned, so long as it stays over 50 degrees F, Phoenix Roebelenii most of the native sabals are fine with long term flooded lands.  Pretty much any palm that you find close to river banks, in flood plains, or growing in swampy / seasonally flooded areas will do just fine with the flooding. 

[Hurricanepalms]

Other than wet feet? Is this area shaded, direct sun, a mix? Pinanga Coronata likes consistently moist soil, Arenga Hookeriana,  Arenga Engleri , Burretiokentia Hapala, Carpentaria Acuminata, Chambeyronia Macrocarpa, Dictyosperma Album, Euturpe Edulis, Kentiopsis Oliviformis, Kerriodoxa Elegans, Mauritia Flexuosa, Pelagodoxa Mesocarpa, Pinanga Dicksonii, Reinhardtia Latisecta, Satakentia Liukiuensis, Verschaffeltia Splendida, Carpoxylon Macrospermum, and Copernicia seems to like periodic flooding too. 

Edited May 16, 2023 by Hurricanepalms

[John hovancsek]

This is the wettest part of the yard and the m. Amicormum c. Macrospermum and m. Armada are doing great . 

[Looking Glass]

I was thinking…. How wet is wet?   Lots of spots around the yard puddle, when we get 2-4 inches of rain an hour, which isn’t rare.  And by the road gets 4 inches of standing water during storms, but the sandy soil drains super fast for me, measured in minutes really.  Even if the rain just slows down, it all drains away during the storm.  You could plant just about any palm in that, except the real drought lovers.  

Standing water for a couple of days….   That’s probably another story.  

I guess I’m a “lumper” more than a “splitter”, like @DCA_Palm_Fan described.

1) Semi-aquatic palms…  Archontophoenix, Ravenea rivularis, Cat Palms, etc…

2) Native lowland Florida, Carribean, and Cuban Palms that are accustomed to the cycles of flooding and drought here, or swamp dwellers…..  Royals, Sabals, A. Wrightii, Thrinax, certain Copernicia and Coccothrinax that grow on the flooded plains, etc….

3) Palms that like a lot of water….  Satakentia, KO, etc….  Like @Hurricanepalms talked about.  

 

 

[Merlyn]

Along 417 at Lake Jessup hundreds of Sabal Palmettos stayed submerged 2 feet under for several months after last summer's hurricanes.  They seemed to like it.    For smaller palms definitely try Licuala Sumawongii, Grandis, Auriculata.  The only downside of Grandis is that it can never dry out...or they like to die.

[Fusca]

Licuala paludosa don't seem to mind wet feet either.  Habitat photo in Brunei.

[sonoranfans]

 sounds like a moderate issue in rainy florida and its not in clay soil so drainage and oxygen wont be a problem.  If it is part clay and say you have standing water for 3 1/2 weeks like I did august 2018(?), My bismarckia was looking unhappy for a month after before palmetto weevils attacked it and killed it.  Might be you can get away with alfredii if you dont have lots of standing water.  Mine sits about 15' off the drainage easement with sand/clay and did fine while the bismarckia, which was near dead center/low spot of that easement path did poorly.  So I suspect in high drainage sand with soaking water, many palms will work fine.  Palms that I have that prefer to be almost continually wet even in sand with part clay are roystonea regia, the chambeyronias including the newly renamed oliviformis, and all four species of archontophoenix and dypsis pembana.  Most palms  will work, some, including but not limited to those I have mentioned, will thrive.

[mike in kurtistown]

Hydriastele rheophytica, Livistona benthamii, Neoveitchia storckii.

 

[Patrick]

Livistonas. I know both my decora and chinensis are both beefy and fast growers with all the water they get. Mine have found the french drain i put in many years ago and enjoy it. The livistonas on the other side of the yard just don't look the same. My old neighbors used to keep that side swampy- wet clay- all the time. My Rapidophyllum has done well over there, too.

 

Kind of boring for Florida, but there you go...

[Eric in Orlando]

A few I know of;

Acoelorrhaphe

Archontophoenix

Carpoxylon

Chamaedorea cataractarum

Colopothrinax wrightii

Licuala ramsayi, spinosa

Livistona; australis, benthamii, chinensis, decora, drudei, saribus

Mauritia flexuosa

Mauritiella armata

Nypa

Oncosperma

Phoenix paludosa, reclinata

Pinanga coronata

Ravenea rivularis

Rhapidophyllum

Roystonea

Sabal minor

Sabal palmetto

Salacca wallichiana

Satakentia

 

[idontknowhatnametuse]

Areca Catechu loves water

[idontknowhatnametuse]

Sabal Yapa grows faster the more water you give it.

[D. Morrowii]

2 hours ago, Hurricanepalms said:

Other than wet feet? Is this area shaded, direct sun, a mix? Pinanga Coronata likes consistently moist soil, Arenga Hookeriana,  Arenga Engleri , Burretiokentia Hapala, Carpentaria Acuminata, Chambeyronia Macrocarpa, Dictyosperma Album, Euturpe Edulis, Kentiopsis Oliviformis, Kerriodoxa Elegans, Mauritia Flexuosa, Pelagodoxa Mesocarpa, Pinanga Dicksonii, Reinhardtia Latisecta, Satakentia Liukiuensis, Verschaffeltia Splendida, Carpoxylon Macrospermum, and Copernicia seems to like periodic flooding too. 

A lot of interesting ideas here, thanks! This area gets full sun a couple of months in the summer and will be partially shaded in the winter  (north facing side of the house) 

Whatever Palm I put there, I think should be tall, full sun, and a fast grower. 

2 hours ago, Looking Glass said:

I was thinking…. How wet is wet?   Lots of spots around the yard puddle, when we get 2-4 inches of rain an hour, which isn’t rare.  And by the road gets 4 inches of standing water during storms, but the sandy soil drains super fast for me, measured in minutes really.  Even if the rain just slows down, it all drains away during the storm.  You could plant just about any palm in that, except the real drought lovers.  

Standing water for a couple of days….   That’s probably another story.  

I guess I’m a “lumper” more than a “splitter”, like @DCA_Palm_Fan described.

1) Semi-aquatic palms…  Archontophoenix, Ravenea rivularis, Cat Palms, etc…

2) Native lowland Florida, Carribean, and Cuban Palms that are accustomed to the cycles of flooding and drought here, or swamp dwellers…..  Royals, Sabals, A. Wrightii, Thrinax, certain Copernicia and Coccothrinax that grow on the flooded plains, etc….

3) Palms that like a lot of water….  Satakentia, KO, etc….  Like @Hurricanepalms talked about.  

 

 

Makes sense to me, I like the groupings. This spot is 3-4 feet off the back of the house and goes out another few feet. Close to your first description though. I guess I need something that can take sitting in  2-3” of water for an hour or two a few times every summer.  I just figured if I put something there that likes those conditions I wouldn’t have to stress over it when we get lots of rain. 

1 hour ago, sonoranfans said:

 sounds like a moderate issue in rainy florida and its not in clay soil so drainage and oxygen wont be a problem.  If it is part clay and say you have standing water for 3 1/2 weeks like I did august 2018(?), My bismarckia was looking unhappy for a month after before palmetto weevils attacked it and killed it.  Might be you can get away with alfredii if you dont have lots of standing water.  Mine sits about 15' off the drainage easement with sand/clay and did fine while the bismarckia, which was near dead center/low spot of that easement path did poorly.  So I suspect in high drainage sand with soaking water, many palms will work fine.  Palms that I have that prefer to be almost continually wet even in sand with part clay are roystonea regia, the chambeyronias including the newly renamed oliviformis, and all four species of archontophoenix and dypsis pembana.  Most palms  will work, some, including but not limited to those I have mentioned, will thrive.

I’m trying to avoid what you experienced with you Bismarckia. Maybe I should have asked what palms hate occasional standing water.  That being said I don't have any clay that I know of. Mostly sand and whatever “dirt” they imported when they built the place. The soil in the back yard is darker and richer than most other areas of the yard though. 

 

The first ideas I had were either an Archontophoenix, a Coconut or a Fenestralis. I already have 4 tuckeri planted around the yard so I’m shying away from planting another. A Coco or Roystonia would be nice there but we have seating within 10 feet or so and look terrible in a helmet. I like the idea of a Beccariophoenix but it might be a bit large and I’m not sure how long it would take to get up over head. The smaller species Licuala Kerriodoxa etc wont work in this spot yet but might later after I get some cover. I’ve never thought about getting a Ravenea rivularis until recently but they certainly have a unique look and are beautiful. I’m going to go through my bullpen and see what I have ready to go. Thanks everybody for taking the time to share your knowledge, info and ideas! 

[DAVEinMB]

@D. Morrowii this 1 pindo in particular haha 

[D. Morrowii]

@DAVEinMBIt would be difficult to argue that that palm cant live in water

[sonoranfans]

2 hours ago, D. Morrowii said:

@DAVEinMBIt would be difficult to argue that that palm cant live in water

it lives but  it surely hates life.

[Scott W]

Livistonia benthamii, I have a couple from Floribunda in 1 gallons that I'm growing out before putting them down near the creek.

Also, there's a huge thread here that might give you more insight... https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/46721-palms-that-like-to-get-their-feet-wet/