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Allagoptera brevicalyx Seeding: I have questions


PalmatierMeg

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My oldest Allagoptera brevicalyx is finally putting out a crop of seeds and I have some questions about them:

1. Some of the fruit are very large, i.e., up to 2" long and 1" wide. But many of them are 1/2 to 1/3 that size. Can anyone (please, @Alberto ?) tell me what % of these seeds might be viable, i.e., does fruit size really matter with this palm?

2. Is there any interest by anyone for these seeds?

3. See link:  https://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Allagoptera_brevicalyx

This is a very handsome non-trunking palm that puts out numerous curly, dark green leaves with dazzling silver undersides. It would make a good border plant because it is unarmed but puts out a dense curtain of leaves that may deter trespassers. It is much rarer than Allagoptera arenaria, the trademark "seashore palm" but has similar culture. Its fruit and seeds are quite a bit larger than arenaria's

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Allagoptera brevicalyx, Cape Coral, FL, June 2023

Seeds

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Mother Palm

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Meg

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Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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2 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

My oldest Allagoptera brevicalyx is finally putting out a crop of seeds and I have some questions about them:

1. Some of the fruit are very large, i.e., up to 2" long and 1" wide. But many of them are 1/2 to 1/3 that size. Can anyone (please, @Alberto ?) tell me what % of these seeds might be viable, i.e., does fruit size really matter with this palm?

2. Is there any interest by anyone for these seeds?

3. See link:  https://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Allagoptera_brevicalyx

This is a very handsome non-trunking palm that puts out numerous curly, dark green leaves with dazzling silver undersides. It would make a good border plant because it is unarmed but puts out a dense curtain of leaves that may deter trespassers. It is much rarer than Allagoptera arenaria, the trademark "seashore palm" but has similar culture. Its fruit and seeds are quite a bit larger than arenaria's

Photos

Allagoptera brevicalyx, Cape Coral, FL, June 2023

Seeds

453675920_Allagopterabrevicalyxinfructescensesnseeds0106-19-23.thumb.JPG.7bc9ff199b270863b6539b5c116bc5c5.JPG425690041_Allagopterabrevicalyxseedsinbasket0106-19-23.thumb.JPG.220103e30602964f3223fe28576ed0aa.JPG1960151860_Allagopterabrevicalyxripeseeds0106-19-23.thumb.JPG.08dd301c6c7645af06e997e39dc7fc08.JPG

Mother Palm

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Once I found some unripe seeds in habitat but I don't know anything about the size of this seeds. Like A. campestris and A.arenaria I think the larger the seed the better they are...

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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