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ID this palm in South of France

GMann

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Any idea what palm this is? The location is Provence, France. So its a palm that survives a Mediterranean climate. There are no spikes on the petioles and it is suckering with many heads. Leaf underside is a tiny bit silvery. The palm leaf resembles a phoenix species….

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1 hour ago, GMann said:

Any idea what palm this is? The location is Provence, France. So its a palm that survives a Mediterranean climate. There are no spikes on the petioles and it is suckering with many heads. Leaf underside is a tiny bit silvery. The palm leaf resembles a phoenix species….

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That to me looks like an Arenga Engleri.  Possibly a different type of Arenga but I haven't seen too many different ones in person so can't say for sure. It looks similar to my Engleri. 🤙🏽

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bubba Grand Master

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My guess is a fledgling Chambeyronia macrocarpa. The leaflets are identical but that which gives it away is the reddish flame thrower rascal in the back! My educated guess is that Provence is on the edge of this palm’s cold tolerance and has likely stunted its roll towards maturity and eventual crownshaft development. “You never know, I may be mistaken” ZZ Top/ Lagrange

What you look for is what is looking

gilles06 Experienced

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I agree with Arenga engleri

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elevation 328 feet

distance from mediteranean sea 1,1 mile

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lowest t° 2008/2009 : 33F

lowest t° 2007/2008 : 32F

lowest t° 2006/2007 : 35F

lowest t° 2005/2006 : 27F

lowest t° 2004/2005 : 25F

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sonoranfans Grand Master

sonoranfans

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I 3rd engleri.  The newest leaves are showing the blunted tattered tips.  Not sure what that red leaf is in the background that bubba pointed out, its not engleri if that is a healthy leaf.

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Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

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Foxpalms Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, sonoranfans said:

I 3rd engleri.  The newest leaves are showing the blunted tattered tips.  Not sure what that red leaf is in the background that bubba pointed out, its not engleri if that is a healthy leaf.

The red looking plant in the back ground looks like a cordyline.  The palm looks like an Arenga engleri to me.

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Alberto Grand Master

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Arenga engleri for sure

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

OC2Texaspalmlvr Grand Master

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The fact it is suckering for sure A.Engleri

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T J 

Darold Petty Grand Master

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The fronds are attached to the rachis in an upward oriented fashion like a "V".  This is called 'induplicate'.  

This character is shown by only a very few genera,  Phoenix, Arenga, and I think possibly, ..Wettinia.   Most palms are the opposite, "^"  called 'reduplicate'.

 I concur with Arenga engleri,  the red plant in the background could be Cordyline or Phormium. 

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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Arenga engleri. Oui!

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